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Why did the replace Pidgin with Empathy in !Ubuntu #Karmic ? Seems like more of a downgrade than an upgrade to me.
Saturday, 31-Oct-09 20:54:01 UTC from web-
@carpentr 'cause they see benifits in using Empathy over Pidgin, and want to get it stable for the LTS.
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@carpentr I feel much the same. If empathy got html support and did away with the way they do timestamps I'd be intruiged.
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@teddks: Btw, all passwords in pidgin are stored in plain text. So are the IM logs.
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@teddks Vapourware features? Like... voice and video support?
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@marcusharrison !pidgin has voice and video. But #empathy was sold on the #telepathy framework. Guess what uses that?
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@techwizrd Great, so I have no reason to have them encrypted by the program. What was your point?
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@teddks Is there something particularly wrong with the telepathy framework?
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@teddks: You don't want all of your conversations readable by anyone (gf/spouse, government, lawyers, friend).
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@techwizrd Yes, which is why I have an encrypted filesystem. But it's useless to have that if the IM's are sent in the clear on the net.
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@teddks And the whole KDE 4 thing showed us the benifits of better infastructure in the short- AND long-term, I do think.
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@teddks Pidgin DIDN'T have voice and video (or even plans for them) when we decided on Empathy in May.
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@marcusharrison There's no reason to have an unused infrastructure in a non-rolling distribution.
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@teddks There is no loss, pidgin is still here It is not wiped out your system when you upgrade and it's an apt-get away from a base install
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@mirsal Strong !crypto for #IM is orders of magnitude farther away for the new user. It's a massive !privacy loss. !ubuntu #karmic #empathy
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@teddks Wait, why do I care? I'm using Kopete.
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@teddks Go make your own OS
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@teddks: Check out the first 2 sessions on wednesday! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
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@jorge ? "Ask Mark" + "Leadership Workshop"? I don't see how that's relevant.
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@teddks Then improve it. You got the code. Go make a patch and send it in.
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@teddks: I meant thursday, sorry!
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@teddks Then why are you complaining? Tell them that you're disagree with their choice of empathy and move on.
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@teddks Anyway, I still think that #otr should be a priority in the #telepathy roadmap, and I'll do my best to push it in this direction.
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@teddks If you actually care and want to make it better then you'll actually do something to make it better. You're just throwing a fit.
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@jacroe It's called "advocacy", or "activism". It's common practice in democratic systems.
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