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1. Graham Perrin StatusNet , OpenMicroBlogging , Identi.ca

   !OpenMicroBlogging !StatusNet !Identica good discussion of #Community #Equity and #karma at http://ur1.ca/h8fb #microblogging #spam #points

   Sunday, 06-Dec-09 20:01:20 UTC from web
   • Mackenzie Ubuntu DC LoCo Group , Ted Smith

     @teddks can i be an admin on !ubuntudc ? There are a bunch of spammers I'd like to remove...

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:19:22 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries spamreport , Mackenzie

     @maco I don't think group admins have the power (yet) to ban the damn spammers. !spamreport

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:40:11 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj Naw, group admins can block spammers from a group just fine.

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:40:58 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries Octav Sandulescu

     @narc @sobotka this i scurrently limited to a group, right? If admin of a group finds a spammer, they can only ban from that group only??

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:45:55 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj Pretty much. Would be interesting to see it expanded further, though -- leverage the power of many group admins?

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:47:03 UTC
   • Mackenzie LinuxChix , Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj um, yes we do. i just banned ~100 spammers from !linuxchix

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:47:06 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries spamreport , Octav Sandulescu

     @narc !spamreport when group admin identifies a spammer, should be able to at a minimum suspend identica privleges pending a second opinion

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:49:02 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries Mackenzie

     @maco but same spammers can still wreak havoc elsewhere in identica, no?

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:50:19 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj Disagree, single group admin shouldn't have that power. More than one, though, and we can start thinking about that.

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:50:25 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries spamreport , Octav Sandulescu

     @narc !spamreport when group admin identifies a spammer, should be able to at a minimum suspend identica privleges pending a second opinion

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:50:31 UTC
   • Mackenzie Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj yes

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:50:56 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj For instance, if a user's been banned from 10+ groups, that could be an auto-permaban. Never just with one group.

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:51:23 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj Example: bad person takes over a group (by confidence scam, maybe) and bans everyone in it. Everyone has to wait for second opinion?

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:54:49 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries Octav Sandulescu

     @narc understand your concern, but would argue 2 group bans should temporarily suspend a user. if review shows they are OK, then re-enable

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:55:40 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Octav Sandulescu

     @narc This argument particularly tries to highlight the fact that CPU time is effectively infinite, human attention is not.

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:55:48 UTC
   • Octav Sandulescu Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj Sure, at that point it's just a question of how long to ban them for, increasing length with increasing number of bans.

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 04:56:32 UTC
   • Marjolein Katsma Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj don't agree: group admins can ban, but should report as well; don't forget that spammers report spammers and create groups themselves!

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 08:40:07 UTC
   • Marjolein Katsma Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj so merely being a group admin somewhere should not impart any kind of karma or power, spammers can and will game everything

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 08:41:30 UTC
   • peanut Ron K. Jeffries

     @rkj group-admins can block spammers from their group... that should be sufficient...

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 09:30:11 UTC
   • Ted Smith Mackenzie

     @maco sure, I'll add you when I get to a computer.

     Wednesday, 02-Dec-09 13:51:42 UTC
   • Ron K. Jeffries spamreport

     @grahamperrin thanks for pointing me to that discussion of karma. what is current status in statusnet/identica? !spamreport

     Sunday, 06-Dec-09 20:03:45 UTC