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  1. Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix , Linux

    @jargon #BSD uses the BSD tools and the BSD kernel, so it's BSD, while GNU/Linux uses the !gnu tools and the !linux kernel - hence the name.

    Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:00:14 UTC from web at Mannheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
    • Luca Luca

      @jargon if a file has a space inside that script will fail. you should use : ls | while read line; do tcz "$line".tar.gz "$line"; done

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 10:48:12 UTC
    • theocrite theocrite Command Line Interface

      @jargon that's indeed tar's job (make one file out of many), but for a single file it's useless, compres (gzip or bzip2) instead !cli !linux

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 11:19:11 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions Linux

      @jargon True but your orig bash script acted on single files not directories. tar.gz is great for groups of files or dirs !cli !linux

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 11:19:38 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @jargon Not exclusively dirs. It created a tar.gz for each item returned by `ls` - including single files. And you said "tar each file" :)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 11:29:24 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @jargon I was just saying there's little point in taring single files. @xxtjaxx dented a revised one for dirs only.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 11:32:33 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @jargon You're saying a dir is a fruit? :D Seriously: try running that script on a big dir - bye bye resources :)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 11:47:28 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @jargon Was that supposed to be in reply to me did you just click reply by accident? Seems an odd response if the former? ;)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:14:05 UTC
    • theuser theuser GNU's Not Unix , Linux

      @jargon the word !linux is associated with the !gnu world, so many people do not understand the difference between droid and debian

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:38:09 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @jargon OK. Poss less confusing to start a new dent in future as identi.ca clients may list replies in context

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:42:03 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Linux , GNU+HURD

      @jargon You miss that GNU does have its own kernel - and !hurd works: hurd.gnu.org - and !linux wouldn't be free without the #gcc

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:47:09 UTC
    • Hamed Hamed

      @jargon Linux kernel without GNU!? Do you have ubuntu just with 5 GNU application? I don't think so.even if you have it you can't remove gcc

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:48:21 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix

      @jargon pquery --vdb --all --attr=homepage | grep gnu.org | wc -l -> 48 !GNU packages in my system,

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:52:29 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix

      @jargon equery f coreutils | grep bin/ | wc -l -> 121 binaries in the !gnu coreutils package alone;mostly needed basics like ls uname chown

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 12:55:35 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix , Linux

      @jargon and you are free to change the !linux kernel, because it is licensed under the !GNU General Public License

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:03:00 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix , Gentoo Linux , Linux , KDE

      @jargon The correct name for my system would be !KDE running on !GNU / !Linux maintained via !Gentoo portage

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:05:45 UTC
    • mikankun mikankun

      @jargon you're missing the point. #linux can't survive with #gnu but #gnu can and did survive before #linux.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:08:37 UTC
    • Gordon Allott Gordon Allott Linux

      @jargon @arnebab - who cares, call it whatever you want, flurple purple if you want, stop polluting our !linux stream with another gnu rant

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:10:28 UTC
    • Marcus Harrison Marcus Harrison Ubuntu users

      @jargon Maybe !ubuntu should be called a "GNU/Linux/X.org/apt/Gnome/Firefox/OpenOffice/Ubiquity/Empathy/PulseAudio/GStreamer/etc." system ;)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:12:15 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @arnebab What do you call it if you don't start !KDE? And shouldn't X be in there? :) Not sure optional sware counts :)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:14:43 UTC
    • bigbrovar bigbrovar Gordon Allott

      @gordallott sum pple just cant stand to see the name RMS. I posted a link about him wh @jargon decided to troll on leading to chain reaction

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:16:26 UTC
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @jargon Linux is neither a distro nor an operating system. GNU/Linux means it's the GNU system running on top of the kernel Linux

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:18:09 UTC
    • theuser theuser GNU's Not Unix

      @jargon @arnebab but the usual distros use !gnu, my hostname is KDE-GNU-Linux, and sometimes I say openSuSE

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:18:25 UTC
    • theuser theuser GNU's Not Unix

      @jargon but in general it's !gnu/!linux when I mean a serious distro, not droid oder QtExtended

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:19:02 UTC
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @jargon torvalds has been taking credit for work he didn't do, in spite of recognizing early that Linux needed GNU to function

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:20:54 UTC
    • Chad McCullough Chad McCullough Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva nicely put.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:23:39 UTC
    • mikankun mikankun

      @jargon I have a documentary "Revolution OS" where he says he agrees with GNU/Linux for a distribution but not for the kernel itself.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:29:31 UTC
    • Jason F. McBrayer Jason F. McBrayer

      @arnebab I sometimes imagine an alternate reality where #gnustep running on #hurd is the dominant #freesoftware environment.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:35:17 UTC
    • mikankun mikankun

      @jargon take away the people and companies who are running it on top of gnu software are you're left with a very very small percentage.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:37:13 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix , Linux

      @jargon GNU/Linux is !linux kernel for software-hardware interface and !gnu tools for basic commandline. Often with Xorg for graphics.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:50:54 UTC
    • theuser theuser GNU's Not Unix , Linux

      @jargon because most graphical !gnu apps need x.org, you can say it belongs to !gnu / !linux

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:54:17 UTC
    • Norman Köhring Norman Köhring Linux , theuser

      @theuser no you cannot! its stupid to say something belongs to !GNU because GNU needs it. ( !linux )

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 13:56:32 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix , Gentoo Linux , Linux , KDE , Equitas IT Solutions

      @equitas you're right. More exactly: !KDE displayed by #Xorg on !GNU / !Linux compiled by #gcc via !Gentoo #portage and #pkgcore.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:00:55 UTC
    • Oliver Herold Oliver Herold Linux , The FreeBSD Project , The Unix Operating Systems , OpenBSD Users Group , OpenSolaris operating system , theuser

      @theuser that's mere nonsense it belongs as much to !linux as it belongs to netbsd, !openbsd, !freebsd, !opensolaris and !unix per se

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:01:04 UTC
    • Tonnerre Lombard Tonnerre Lombard theuser

      @theuser: you're not serious, are you? #XOrg is used on a large number of platforms. Are hard disks #GNU because they're supported?

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:09:31 UTC
    • Equitas IT Solutions Equitas IT Solutions

      @arnebab Nope. Your system is Gentoo [GNU/]Linux but you *run* the other stuff. Otherwise where to stop? Do we incl. Plasma, OOo,Firefox?!

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:10:25 UTC
    • Jan Claeys Jan Claeys Linux , mikankun

      @mikankun I'm pretty sure #busybox is used more than the #gnu tools to complete !linux as an OS... ;)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:29:45 UTC
    • mikankun mikankun Jan Claeys

      @janc if you're only talking about embedded devices that may be true

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:43:36 UTC
    • Jan Claeys Jan Claeys Linux , mikankun

      @mikankun you mean, if I don't exclude embeded devices? (they are the majority of !linux systems)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 14:51:36 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide GNU's Not Unix , GNU+HURD , Jason F. McBrayer

      @jfm #gnustep on !gnu !hurd http://multixden.blogspot.com/2006/02/gnu-world-gnustep-on-hurd.html

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 15:19:59 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide

      @equitas I stop at "which are the major components". Firefox could be included - but I mostly use stuff from the KDE SC, so it's minor.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 16:21:57 UTC
    • Jason F. McBrayer Jason F. McBrayer

      @arnebab If I had more time and a better computer, I'd give this a try in a virtual machine.

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 17:07:01 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Jason F. McBrayer

      @jfm Same for me :)

      Wednesday, 06-Jan-10 17:11:20 UTC
    • Saqer A Saqer A Linux

      @arnebab I don't want to seem stupid... but !BSD tools on a !linux kernel = #BSD/Linux?

      Thursday, 07-Jan-10 05:18:50 UTC
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Saqer A

      @saqeram Jepp. Would be BSD/Linux I'd say.

      Thursday, 07-Jan-10 09:04:32 UTC

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