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Thinking of switching to Fedora, because I don't have enough pain in my life.
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@jargon That's not pain, thats hell. I haven't tried Fedora since F6 so I think I'll be pleasantly surprised. :-)
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@badocelot {{citation needed}}
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@badocelot That's a strawman, I'm afraid.
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@badocelot What if a friend wants a "copy" of my DVD collection? Should I "break an agreement"? Or "deny a friend"? What if a hundred do?
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@badocelot You made the choice between breaking an agreement and denying a friend. DVD == software, there's no difference. Are DVDs "wrong"?
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@badocelot No, not at all. If proprietary s/w is "immoral" because you can't redistribute copies with impunity, are DVDs? CDs? Books?
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@badocelot No one's ever attempted to make the agreement you describe, nor can anyone. See "unconscionable contract".
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@badocelot You haven't demonstrated that. Lots of people write proprietary s/w at their day jobs & work on FLOSS on their own time.
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@badocelot Actually, you're wrong. If enough people don't watch one kind of not-free film, they _will_ stop making that sort of film.
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@badocelot I must be "wrong" a lot then. I deny my friends stuff all the time, just because it's inconvenient or I don't feel like it. So?
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Well, that's one data point, at best. Not a good one, considering how much the tech landscape has changed v. what it looked like in 1990.
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@badocelot Really? How? People will make films at significant expense with no expectation of any return on their investment?
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@badocelot You haven't demonstrated your case. People make individual choices for individual reasons. As they always have.
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@badocelot You're rationalizing now. If it's wrong enough for you to abjure proprietary s/w, you should abjure proprietary media as well.
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@badocelot People choose OS X (when they do) because it's pretty, it's reliable, it performs well and it has a lot of nice features.
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@badocelot _I_ use it because it has FInal Cut Pro, and I need to edit video. "Coolness" has nothing to do with it.
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@badocelot Could you rephrase this? I seriously have no idea what you're trying to say :(
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@badocelot OK. If my friend is an ex-felon w/ an assault rap, and he wants to borrow my gun, should I "break an agreement" or deny him?
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@badocelot Not likely true. The only case which might support that involves a proprietary interchange format, not a standalone app.
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@badocelot And if people recommend it, presumably they do so because it's _good_. It solves their problem in a way that they want to share.
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@badocelot What's your alternative, then? People will leave groceries on James Cameron's doorstep...?
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@badocelot Look pretty polemical to me.
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@jargon Stallman always talks about non-free software. He encourages people to *talk* about non-free software. Talk ≠ recommend.
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@badocelot Not at all. It's precisely the same choice you presented.
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@jargon Will you be copy & pasting RMS misrepresenting himself in context, or out of context? I kid, I kid :)
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@lefty I back his argument as I've seen it occur with just about every turd Apple releases
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@lefty I've had people recommend complete shit, such as Zune and iTunes
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@lefty They all get pirated anyways :)
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@jargon and when your choices would harm your neighbor, it's not your freedom to make them
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@jargon choosing non-Free Software harms your neighbor the same way that empowering any aggressor
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@jargon you pay for the non-Free software, you give them money (= power), not only over you
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@jargon you choose their software, even if gratis, you give them power out of network effects
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@jargon and these all revert onto you *and* onto others. it's the “and onto others” that's the problem
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@jargon so by "metaphorically holding a gun to your head" you mean "complaining"? How shocking!
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@mikechelen #gtkpod, #hipo, !rhythmbox, etc.. There's a lot of great !freesoftware on !ubuntu that support iPods - no need for itunes.
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