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@jargon @dantheman @fabsh the way I see it PA would work fine if well configured. It works amazingly well on the N900 & dell ubuntu -jaunty+
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@oceanwatcher wow that is some good news. A gui for dual monitor setup was one of the missing element of !kde4 goos that its been fixed
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@bigbrovar No it doesn't. As soon as you have more than one soundcard it turns to shit.
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@bigbrovar I could give you a page long list of stuff that doesn't work or work well on Jaunty and Karmic.
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@bigbrovar Great if it works on the N900 but one device with one integrated sound solution is a rather simple proposition.
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@bigbrovar In fact, I see not a single reason why the N900 even *needs* PA. ALSA would do the job easily as well...
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@fabsh yeah I guess you are right there. PA works with simple normal desktop usage. but can be PITA when the situ is complicated.
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@bigbrovar Also saying "it works well after configuration" is exactly why Linux doesn't have market share. I can't see Apple doing that.
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@fabsh PA allows you to redirect calls etc. from internal speakers to bluetooth. Without PA, you've got no real phone.
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@bigbrovar It doesn't work with Skype acceptibly on two of my machines. Neither in Ubuntu nor Fedora. Currently I can only Skype on the Eee.
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@fabsh well its gets better and better so lets hope things would improve. for now am just glad to be on kubuntu which is PA free :)
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@balor Does Android use PA? Somehow I doubt that...
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@bigbrovar For me it actually worked acceptably in Jaunty but it all turned to shit this Fall. I have very little hope in PA right now...
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@fabsh well apple is different u know. there ship machine+ software there dont face the same challenge as ubuntu. different hardware
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@fabsh PA could be better. but really sound could be better configured from OEM. which is why dell-ubuntu works better with PA on dell PCs
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@fabsh: !ubuntu doesn't do #pulseaudio correctly
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@fabsh the vanilla ubuntu was shit with PA on my dell. until dell released a dell-ubuntu which has a preconfigure PA. that fixs PA for dells
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@fabsh anyway i agree with u. things could really be much more better. audio problems should not be an issue in 2010.
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@fabsh Intrepid has been the first PA implementation to work for me ironically -- after installing all the controls that ubuntu leaves out.
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@eightyeight And neither does Fedora apparently. I think Pulse Audio doesn't do Pulse Audio correctly myself...
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@fabsh: from what i understand of #pulseaudio, it brings to front the many issues that have plagued !linux audio. i for one praise it
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@bigbrovar JACK works out of the box. "Pre-configured by the OEM" sounds like M$. That's bull...
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@jargon Yeah, an update broke something. i have it on both Karmic & F12 with completely diff hardware.
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@eightyeight That is such bull. JACK doesn't have these "issues that plagued Linux audio". It's just excuses by the PA team, IMO.
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@eightyeight ALSA has always worked perfectly for me. It's limited, but it works very well.
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@fabsh: fwiw- i've never had the problems with #pulseaudio on !debian nor #fedora that i have on !ubuntu
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@bigbrovar I agree. There emust be some really knotty problem that just won't reveal itself to the devs, but they must admit it's there.
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@bigbrovar From what I've read - and I admit I haven't kept up - they haven't been open enough about the issue.
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@eightyeight It is pretty crap in F12. I had the same issues in F11. Maybe you just don't use it as hard as I do. I am smwht of an audio nut
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@silner The hardware is not the issue. How often do I have to say that?
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@eightyeight I don't think it's *possible* to do pulseaudio correctly !ubuntu
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