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SourceForge closed for five countries - is !FOSS still free and open? http://is.gd/76Hhk !gnu !freesoftware !linux #linux
- László Torma likes this.
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@rrh Iran, Syria etc are communist? This is new to me!
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@samuelbrack I meant China, North Korea and Cuba ;)
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@rrh !WTF??? You don't like the government, so fuck up the people? That was incredible idiot! !linux #hate
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@teddks capitalism of course isn't the problem. (although capitalism without things to balance its impact is pretty terrible.)
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@byteday been hearing about this; who's doing the blocking?
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@rrh okay, but why shouldn't communists have access o FOSS?
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@samuelbrack I did NOT tell the people shouldn't but meant communism was and IS the greatest danger in 20th/21st century !linux
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@rrh : yeah, I'm also pretty sure two tiny countries are the greatest danger for the 21st century /s
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@openuniverse ...so capitalism isn't the problem... except that it is?
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@rrh okay.... um..lol.
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@teddks too much of anything is not great. i think some capitalism is beneficial. some things are more important,capitalism can't come first
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@openuniverse that's both over-simplistic and logically inconsistent, but I can't argue in <140chars
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@teddks most things in 140 limit are simplistic :P but hint me, what's inconsistent about it?
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@openuniverse You can't subscribe to capitalism and hold anything above it.
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@teddks lol, ok so we define capitalism a little differently then. if one cannot hold anything above it, everything else you said is true.
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@openuniverse If you value something higher than capitalism and act on that, you interfere with the free market, thus being a bad capitalist
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@teddks imo, this is like the confusion between extremism and religion. neither inherently requires the other.
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@teddks somehow i think we can have some capitalist ideals without being black and white about the free market
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@openuniverse That isn't capitalism. Also, what are "capitalist ideals"?
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@teddks prvt 'ownership of the means of production, creation of goods or services for profit in a market, prices and wages?' enWP/capitalism
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@teddks the wp article on it (which to be fair, i madeup) doesnt support the idea that capitalism must come first to be capitalism. justsoyk
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@openuniverse disagree as much as you like. I'm going by the definition published by the group that coined the term
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@openuniverse now, do you seriously want to defend the position that a piece of binary-only software is open source?
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@lxoliva ha, NO. fortunately that is THEIR burden. i'm a FREE SOFTWARE advocate. THEY might say:"on the whole, it's open source."
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@lxoliva the perens def? because everyone has their own version now. while his is ok, in practice "oss" points to the bad definitions too
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@openuniverse IIRC the OSI def, OSD, is (very) slightly modified from Peren's Free Software definition
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@rrh if "communists" took over your country, shouldn't YOU still be entitled to software freedom?
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@openuniverse the diffs make room for such stuff as software under RPL being OSS but not FS, and GNU autoconf being FS but not OSS
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@openuniverse but not for current versions of Linux being FS or OSS
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@openuniverse but the main diffs are not in the software, but rather in the attitude, the mindset
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@openuniverse per the FS philosophy, software that is not Free is unethical, even if it is borderline non-Free (say RPL)
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@lxoliva and we're quibbling anyway. though we'd get much farther quibbling over a definition that isn't co-opted daily.
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@rrh what's communism to you?
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@openuniverse per the OSS mindset, software that is not OSS is ok, it just tends to be technically inferior and less economical
Frederico Goncalves Guimaraes likes this. -
@openuniverse it's not like Free Software isn't under attack too... Free vs commercial is very common, though nonsensical if you get it
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@lxoliva and from there is just goes downhill. i believed very strongly for a long time that oss mindset was better. http://ur1.ca/kqjl
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@openuniverse I gather you don't any more. if so, awesome. time to s/openuniverse/freeuniverse/, then? ;-D
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@lxoliva money + mindset that non-free is 'ok' is a lousy pairing for integrity. if money's involved free software's easier to keep ethical.
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@lxoliva 'open' is moretolerable for referringto free culture than for sw. i speak of free/open culture, for sw the difference is more vital
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@openuniverse I didn't mean normal people shouldn't be entitled but we must respect sourceforge right
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@openuniverse With !gpl you only have to give the source to people who get the binary from you.
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@arnebab as i thought, the real wondering is about how it applies to sf and other countries. granted my preference is universal access.
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@openuniverse iirc when someone somehow gets a copy of the program, he's eligible for the source obtained the same way.
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