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dumb question. Does licensing a program under say, the GPL , means that you HAVE to release the source code publicly? #opensource
Friday, 05-Feb-10 08:57:01 UTC from web- kaizer likes this.
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@notafish with (L)GPL, *if* you publish the program at all, you also have to publish the source. With AGPL, also if you run it publically.
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@brightbyte that's my question. If I use the program publicly, then yes. But if I use it just for me, not. (trying to find ideas for ts)
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@notafish I spoke about this with @carlopiana and @jwildeboer I understood that GPL has an "hole" if you don't "distribute" the software.
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@notafish in private you can do whatever. for public use, AGPL is the only license I know that cares. (L)GPL only cares about distribution.
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@notafish You only have an obligation to give a copy of the source code to anybody who has received a copy of the binary from you.
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@notafish I guess you could license your program as GPL and just never share it with anybody, but what's the point? :)
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@freemjd if you give them together, yes. but otherwise you must give to any third party right?
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@zotz If you don't provide both together, it does get more complicated. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#section6
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@freemjd i disagree see 3 & 3b here http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.txt v2 as i am more familiar with it - to give any third party
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@notafish all your own original code or a program including someone else's gpl code?
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@freemjd my take as well. Once and done. No 3 year obligation.
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@bkuhn I know. Is there no language that can be put in a license to get around this "bug" without causing unintended consequences?
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@zotz,only way to do "copyleft" differently is to use something other than copyright (e.g. contracts). Great complexity & problems lie there
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@bkuhn I don't think I have ever seen the discussions/deliberations in public. why is this a given. is the logic public but I've missed it?
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@zotz copyright's only legal system that operates relatively uniformly worldwide & facilitates right grant unilaterally to public frm author
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@bkuhn The Open Database Library is a good example of the issues with doing "copyleft" (or "share alike"...) differently.
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@bkuhn isn't the real question: is it possible to put something in the license to give users standing?
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@bkuhn there are untested legal theories that in Brazil a beneficiary of the GPL could legally demand compliance from a distributor
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@notafish the copyright holder is not subject to the conditions in the license it offers to third parties => no obligation to release source
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@notafish others then can't redistribute. a classic example of why rules that demand certain licenses are myopic eg Red Hat patent promise
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@freemjd I love a parasol and wish I had been there to appreciate it
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@lxoliva I think this perhaps *should* be the case everywhere as the distributor is denying u something of value: esp if purchased from dist
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@freemjd otoh "any 3rd party" could be an incentive to provide source & binary together... ?
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@lxoliva GPL binary w/ no source developer and copyright holder X is still better than ARR binary + source from same. Debate...
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@freemjd,I agree w/ you when source goes with binaries. Offer for source option is a "favor" to businesses, so they should do more for it.
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@bkuhn oops, except not just to businesses....
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@bkuhn my thoughts worded differently...
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@zotz I don't understand, can you rephrase?
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@lxoliva I had said: otoh "any 3rd party" could be an incentive to provide source & binary together... ? compare to bkuhn "favor" to bus
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@zotz I still don't get how this relates with original author distributing only binaries (never sources) under say GPL
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@zotz context got messed up with XMPP. this (see context) was the sentence I didn't understand and asked you to rephrase
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@lxoliva decompile or disassemble and distribute. best source you have. you can distribute legally. and make derivatives. with ARR, no.
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@zotz the first part, I got. but WTF is ARR??
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@zotz oh! it got anything to do with attacking ships? you talking about software taken from an attacked ship or what?
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@lxoliva All Rights Reserved... regular copyright game rather than Free licensing.
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@lxoliva Well, I did spend quite a bit of time around Blackbeard's Tower as a kid.
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@lxoliva this may be messed up again...
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@zotz aaah... for me this just became a subject to write about on Talk Like a Pirate day ;-) I agree, it's better. but not good enough
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@lxoliva Sure and anyone putting their code under the GPL and not releasing the code deserves a decent amount of ridicule want buzz w/o cost
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@lxoliva not releasing the source
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