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  1. Dave Cridland Dave Cridland

    Okay, I'm increasingly irritated with the FSF equating "free software" with some kind of ethical stance.

    Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:25:18 UTC from xmpp
    • Fabio Forno Fabio Forno

      @dwd welcome to the club

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:29:21 UTC
    • Steffen Larsen Steffen Larsen

      @dwd yes its like the Richard Stallman religion. ;-)

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:31:59 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland Fabio Forno

      @ff I mean, it did always grate on me, I'm not a new member. But the FSF soliciting cash with the tag-line "Support Freedom" really annoys.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:35:05 UTC
    • Daniel Kinzler Daniel Kinzler

      @dwd have you ever heard RMS lecture^H preach about it?...

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:35:57 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland Daniel Kinzler

      @brightbyte Even endured him singing. Don't get me wrong, I really like OSS, I just don't see what's ethical about it.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:36:56 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland

      @dwd Okay, I do see that singing and dancing about "Free Software", then dual-licensing, is hypocrisy. But that's different.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:37:35 UTC
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    • Fabio Forno Fabio Forno

      @dwd well it may be ethical, but it should be a choice not some sort of moral obligation as meant by the FSF

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:42:11 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland Fabio Forno

      @ff Ethics is moral philosophy - software licensing has nothing to do with ethics.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:46:31 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland Fabio Forno

      @ff Of course, violating licensing in fact or in intent is a moral issue. I'd even accept that "fork and close" of BSD is a moral issue.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 10:48:01 UTC
    • Fabio Forno Fabio Forno

      @dwd if you release under BSD either you know the risk of fork and close or you are a fool, imho morality comes second in these cases

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:04:20 UTC
    • Gregg H Gregg H

      @dwd Interesting take. Care to list all the other ways in which we interact with others where we leave ethics and morality at the door?

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:06:56 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland Gregg H

      @greggish I'm not saying there's no ethics involved. I'm saying that claiming that the GPL is more ethical is bullshit.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:12:56 UTC
    • Dave Cridland Dave Cridland Gregg H

      @greggish I put it better earlier - equating "free software" with "ethical" is bullshit.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:13:40 UTC
    • Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou

      @dwd "If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution." --Emma Goldman (kinda... http://ur1.ca/n81p)

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:24:03 UTC
    • 0u 0u

      i like "The free expression of the hopes and aspirations of a people is the greatest and only safety in a sane society."

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:27:03 UTC
    • Eetu Huisman Eetu Huisman Evan Prodromou

      @evan "If I can't have a revolution, what is there to dance about?" -- Albert Meltzer

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 11:35:55 UTC
    • joshix joshix Gregg H

      @greggish All I know is my mistress never talks of either & she's lots more fun than you.

      Tuesday, 23-Feb-10 12:40:36 UTC

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