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1. Chris Watkins Linux

   If I buy a laptop and don't want #Windows, I'm generally told I don't get a discount. No way of asking for a refund? !Linux

   Sunday, 28-Feb-10 05:56:33 UTC from web at Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
   • alejandro Perez

     @chriswaterguy Support you choice all the way the only laptop without windows taxes, you can get at dell, not to much to choose from

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 06:01:29 UTC
   • Will Gardella

     @chriswaterguy you should be able to get a refund if you never agree to the EULA, never activate Windows, and are persistent.

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 06:26:51 UTC
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   • Nandan

     @chriswaterguy goto http://www.frostbitesystems.com to get a laptop with pre-installed #linux

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 06:35:07 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     @chriswaterguy, depends on manufacturer. I really want someone to work on this issue, but can't get anyone I talk to interested in it.

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 06:38:18 UTC
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   • Chris Watkins Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn What sort of work? I'm interested, and could take a small, defined task.

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 06:44:57 UTC
   • Chris Watkins Nandan

     @gotunandan They're actually more expensive than buying a Toshiba & wiping Windows. Also, I'm in Australia.

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 06:54:06 UTC
   • Graham Cox

     @chriswaterguy in theory, if you don't accept the eula for windows you can get a refund. I found out that most retailers don't care though

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 08:55:01 UTC
   • Joe Esparza

     @chriswaterguy it takes some work, but it is possible. http://bit.ly/a0zwR0

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 09:06:12 UTC
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   • Nandan

     @chriswaterguy well, thats true, but at least you wouldnt be paying microsoft tax ;) and no worries about refund.

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 10:29:20 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     @chriswaterguy, issue needs leadership. A proper strategy would pressure hardware companies & most are afraid to do that.

     Sunday, 28-Feb-10 17:13:17 UTC
   • Chris Watkins Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn What's the fear exactly?

     Monday, 01-Mar-10 07:46:31 UTC
   • Chris Watkins Linux , Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment , Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn I spoke to an !LXDE developer wdo mentioned a manufacturer that had a bad experience, blamed it on !Linux insted of the distro.

     Monday, 01-Mar-10 07:47:05 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     @chriswaterguy, companies give $ to many ppl. Those ppl are afraid to upset the gravy train & oppose those company's policies on pre-install

     Monday, 01-Mar-10 14:51:48 UTC
   • Chris Watkins

     @xxtjaxx Surely hey couldn't get way with voiding the warranty, unless there's a warning within the warranty against installing other OSes?

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 00:26:06 UTC
   • Chris Watkins Linux , Free Software , Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn Most !Linux and !opensource users and developers don't get any money from companies though. They have no reason to keep quiet.

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 00:27:32 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     @chriswaterguy, Agreed. It calls out for an organizer. You should go for it! :) I would, but I have a bit too much already to do. :-/

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 00:30:25 UTC
   • Chris Watkins Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn ahem. http://identi.ca/notice/23304935 Work with Appropedia.org is more than enough for me.

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 00:36:58 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     @chriswaterguy,I am not sure what small tasks there are yet. IMO, 1st step is building a wiki that documents all attempts at refunds so far

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 00:38:10 UTC