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1. Leslie Hawthorn Jeremy Allison

   Jeremy Allison on #FreeSoftware, code ownership and the close of #Sun. http://bit.ly/9kUfUh (via @jra)

   Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 19:56:08 UTC from Ping.fm
   • Rob Myers

     @lh That's a really interesting article! Corporations who just "throw code over the wall" never seem to thrive...

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 20:00:23 UTC
   • 0u Rob Myers

     @robmyers bias maybe, can't read jeremy allison article without interpreting it as "sun died because their 'open source' wasn't free enough"

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 20:05:34 UTC
   • Rob Myers 0u

     @openuniverse It's indicative of deeper problems, but yes it's certainly lost Sun lots of momentum and mindshare.

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 20:11:14 UTC
   • 0u Rob Myers

     @robmyers well it would be a shame if we didn't learn from this

     Tuesday, 02-Mar-10 20:18:48 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Jeremy Allison

     Thanks to @lh for linking to @jra 's article about #Sun & #Oracle. It inspired me to post some musings about the issue: http://ur1.ca/o8a5

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 13:41:46 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn Would you expect Nokia to shepherd Qt into GNOME, Bradley?

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 13:45:07 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Simon Phipps

     @webmink, your question hinges on a belief that #OpenSolaris & #KDE are equal in their importance to FLOSS advancement. It's not even close.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 13:46:50 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn No, I am highlighting your false assumption there was any reason for ZFS to be contributed to Linux by Sun.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 13:57:17 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Rob Myers

     @robmyers There's a fatal non-sequitur in both articles. Sun failed DESPITE the business success of FOSS at Sun...

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 13:58:29 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Simon Phipps

     @webmink, I agree it may not have been in Sun's interest to contribute #ZFS to #Linux. It was in the interest of the FLOSS community, though

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 13:58:56 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn ... in your view. No company acts purely in the interests of all commentators views of "the good of the FLOSS Community"

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:02:04 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn ... and which FLOSS community did you have in mind?

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:02:30 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn GNU's Not Unix , Simon Phipps

     @webmink, !gnu/!linux is much more widely used than #OpenSolaris. G/L user community could've benefited from #ZFS. But we've got #btrfs now.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:05:48 UTC
   • Jan Wildeboer Bradley M. Kuhn , Simon Phipps

     @bkuhn @webmink SUN however did allow Michael Tiemann to learn a lot about GPL and start Cygnus ;-)

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:08:25 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Jan Wildeboer

     @jwildeboer FWIW Michael Tiemann isn't keen to have people know about his internship at Sun :-)

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:09:26 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn I assume your ignorance of business here is a rhetorical device?

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:10:06 UTC
   • Jan Wildeboer Simon Phipps

     @webmink its all history now, and AFAIR its in his book anyway.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:10:31 UTC
   • Rob Myers Rob Myers , Simon Phipps

     ♻ @webmink @robmyers There's a fatal non-sequitur in both articles. Sun failed DESPITE the business success of FOSS at Sun...

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:13:55 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Simon Phipps

     @webmink,Not ignorant. I just don't put $$$ ahead of users' needs & FaiF. I realize for-profit business' owners require them to do just that

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:13:58 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Jan Wildeboer

     @jwildeboer Got a pointer? It would be good to add to his Wikipedia article :-)

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:15:23 UTC
   • Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn Piffle. You simply have a set of users whose needs you prefer over OpenSolaris users...

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:24:20 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Linux , Simon Phipps

     @webmink,I don't believe #OpenSolaris needs'd be unmet if #ZFS worked natively on !linux. It'd even help cross-platform Solaris/Linux users.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:27:59 UTC
   • Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn http://twitter.com/KQInfotech/status/5757750591

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:29:50 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Linux , Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay

     @sankarshan, I presume uses FUSE to make #ZFS work on !linux ? Anyway, if native, there's license incompatibility. Moot anyway w/ #btrfs.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:31:14 UTC
   • Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn The blog URL I posted later does point to the licensing issue.

     Wednesday, 03-Mar-10 14:33:31 UTC