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@stav@identi.ca i would posit the problem is with the patent process itself. what was intended to spur … http://identi.ca/attachment/9934397
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@exador23 I have yet to hear a good alternative from anti-patent gang how to protect inventors so they can get rewarded for their efforts.
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@stav no patents are a fine alternative. apple didn't invent ANY of those things. their patents are like a spanish flag on american soil.
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@exador23 I would favor laws to prevent corporations from commandeering their employees' patents. Only get right to nonexclusive license.
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@stav anytime you introduce legislation where everyone is guilty, it's probably stupid laws. that's where we are, everyone infringes swpats
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@openuniverse And "everyone" downloads copyrighted music and movies. Are you OK with that?
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@stav What protects innovations on patented inventions? Reward comes from supplying demand. Monopoly over an innovation is not progressive.
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@stav ABSOLUTELY. and you'd be crazy not to be.
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@xidram For many inventions (agree not all) it is impossible for inventor to compete against low-cost manufacturers who simply copy.
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@stav that's a red herring. I'm talking about pure Laissez-faire capitalism
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@stav So what? If the competitor offers the same quality at lower cost, then the inventor should invest in innovation or marketing.
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@stav imagine if bell labs and texas instruments has been blocked from semiconductor innovation by british researchers
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@openuniverse Not sure which British researchers. Original Bell Labs patents had most claims rejected b/c Lilienfeld's transistor patent.
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@stav bell labs deserved credit for their innovations, more than edison i would guess. and a lot of 'innovation' is parallel not linear
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@openuniverse Reading Unjust Deserts. "Simultaneous invention", knowledge in a field reaches a point where next step is obvious & inevitable
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@xidram @dread @openuniverse Sorry. Too many threads to follow/debate. I'll stick to position that patents are needed to protect inventors.
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@stav oh yes, protect them from staying relevant.
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@stav *rolls eyes*
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@stav That's fine. Believe whatever. Just don't be surprised when people disagree with you and try to clear your faith with reason. :-)
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@xidram The better choice is A, b/c it's new, has better h/w and software. But, it costs $1000, when my budget is $500. B costs $500.
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@xidram But, it costs $1000, when my budget is $500. B costs $500. The right (econ. sound) choice is B.
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@dread Then A would be a better product in your eyes, but B would be the better choice. The choice is the selection; not the object.
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@dread And on that note, all that matters is the selection; not the object. Suppliers don't make money off objects, but off sales.
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@xidram Thanks for attempting to shed light into deep deep dark recesses between my ears. Your cause, unfortunately, is utterly hopeless :-)
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@dread I'm just saying that people may reasonably choose cheaper Chinese products because price is a major factor alongside quality.
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@stav Yeah, I don't mind beliefs until govt. is lobbied to point the gun at me. I don't mind being an outcast as long as I can live my life.
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@xidram I would agree with that. But I was originally talking about buying long-term, high quality goods.
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@xidram other things equal, a higher quality & priced long term good is a better choice than an inferior long term good
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@dread Intended term of use just another factor in consumer decision. All I'm saying is that these things are far more complex than binary.
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@dread This is not always true. Quality: A = B * 2; B = C * 2; Price: A = B * 5; B = C * 2. The most cost effective buy would be B there.
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@xidram which is just another reason to simplify the process by making it objective http://bit.ly/94oyaQ
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@dread However, if the consumer doesn't mind spending all the extra money and demands highest quality possible, then A is the better buy.
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@xidram I said B was the right choice. A was the better choice because it's a better good
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@dread I think the conflict we're having is use of "choice". I'm using it as the selection. You're using it as the product being selected.
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@xidram OK. One more shot: Patents are already the law of the land. It is the #unpatent forces that have to lobby to get guns #unpointed.
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@stav unpointed?
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@stav This is true. What I was referring to was lobbying for more legislation rather than repealing the legislation already in effect.
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@stav also, appeal to authority
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Careful, @stav. You're coming dangerously close to being in disagreement with the mob and getting Banished From the Island.
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@frankenspock Don't want that. I like this island. It has a lot of #free thinkers. Pretty smart ones, matter of fact.
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