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  1. Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons Music , Jamendo.com

    Louis Lingg and the Bombs. http://ur1.ca/2395 Anarchist punk that wears it's late-70s influences on it's sleeve. !ccmusic !Jamendo #BY-NC-SA

    Tuesday, 03-Mar-09 23:40:43 UTC from web
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd I'm not a fan of artists using !cc solely as a gimmick, but I think it's great/vital to encourage !cc use in mainstream music

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:15:42 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons , CASH Music

      @cashmusic Problem is !cc is a partial solution. "Here's some licenses, use one or more or none." They are not a free culture advocacy org.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:27:09 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons Music , Lucas Gonze

      Take a look at @lucasgonze's http://freshhotradio.com/ — a best-of netlabel streaming station programmed with love (and taste) !ccmusic

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:31:09 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd Philosophical difference. To me that's a bonus creating flexible solutions for artist sustainability.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:33:25 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd Love and fervently support !cc, but I can't see the value in enforcing an all-or-nothing endgame on an artist and their life's work

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:35:34 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons , CASH Music

      @cashmusic I think for musicians "mixed licensing", !cc #NC, is the last gasp of the 20th c. How many people still use shareware v. #GPL?

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:41:33 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd True, but how much #GPL code finds its way into advertising selling SUVs or endorsing politicians? #NC serves a valid purpose

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:47:03 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd I also think the software analogy needs to be extended to include developers paid to work on closed source but contributing to OSS

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:48:00 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons , CASH Music

      @cashmusic !CC #SA more precisely targets these undesirable uses than #NC. How many advertisers would want their entire ad copylefted?

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 01:53:10 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd I think both are valid. Sharing your art shouldn't mean losing commercial control. Embracing BY-SA is great, but not the only path.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 02:01:13 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic Everything I do is #GPL. The cost of not being able to re-use work done for hire is so great.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 02:04:29 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic Worse for a musician who loses control of part of their back catalog because they sold "rights" to somebody else.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 02:05:34 UTC
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Jamendo.com

      @freemjd, for me, if it is Free, it is not unwanted noise despite this issue. !cc !jamendo but if it has #NC then I agree

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:10:23 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd Control of masters is a major issue. But if anything, NC protects an artist from seeing their work turn up on an unauthorized comp

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:17:38 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd And we're totally agreed about #GPL and reuse of work for hire. Everything we do is #AGPL or #BSD for that reason and more.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:18:53 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons , Jamendo.com , drew Roberts

      @zotz Often I've found artists on !Jamendo, raved about them publicly, they sign with a label, pull their music from Jamendo, no more !cc

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:27:20 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons , Jamendo.com

      I would like a simple unambiguous way for artists to tag their work to say they believe in free culture. !cc ain't it. !Jamendo ain't it.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:31:07 UTC
    • Ed Fonseca Ed Fonseca CASH Music

      Shame about the lack of easy to follow threads. Great conversation between @freemjd and @cashmusic and you have to jump hoops to follow.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:33:46 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd Pulling music after the fact is lame. That's the nice thing about CC's sharing — you're still free to share. (not the same, but...)

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:46:12 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd Until the public embraces drastically new funding models for artists a blanket statement would starve full-time artists.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:47:55 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd So what's *wrong* with a !cc license on some-not-all works as an endorsement of at least a more free culture?

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:48:56 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Ed Fonseca

      @edythemighty Sorry about the reply ping-pong. Now following @freemjd — interesting POV and the conversation should at least be on my feed

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:52:31 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic RIAA's argument? A tiny, tiny minority of artists are full-time artists. The rest already would starve without other incomes.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:53:26 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson Creative Commons , CASH Music

      @cashmusic The social cost of not having at least !cc #BY-NC outweighs the benefit to a very small number of artists.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:57:16 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic This is guesswork and intuition, as are the RIAA's numbers. :) But the burden should be on those wanting to restrict freedoms.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:59:25 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd A tiny minority maybe, but not a tiny number. Loads of A2IM artists, etc. Should they be forced to RIAA labels or a second job?

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 03:59:35 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd Many (many) indie artists are FT musicians and indie labels are pushing towards more liberal licensing...

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:03:05 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd I'm arguing *for* !cc BY-NC as a vital artist tool. Though I still believe the artist should have the right to choose any licensing

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:05:39 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd and for the record, RIAA numbers aren't guesswork, they're utter fabrications ;)

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:07:05 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic Anecdote: Friend in a successful indy band. First $ they made on recordings: when dumped by their label, sold old stock at gigs.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:09:49 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd (Sorry to pepper you.) I think !cc NC&SA work wonders balancing artist rights & listener rights while restricting corporate abuse.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:10:10 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd Sadly live/merch are the big $ draws now. But good indie labels/bands are learning new models and !cc will play a big part in that.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:16:04 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic Copyright isn't about rights; it's supposed to benefit society.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:17:59 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd To sum up, I love the idea of free culture but I feel we need to embrace a progression towards it or risk losing valuable art.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:18:01 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd It's supposed to do both; ensure that creative works can benefit their creators and society. The !cc NC&SA clauses do exactly that

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:20:20 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic Why sadly? I can't see anything but midi cover bands at my local pub. Free distribution is audience-building for real bands.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:21:17 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic Summary: shareware culture is a dead end we need to abandon in order to get the full benefit of 21st century free culture.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:25:12 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd Sadly only because of the lack of options. (And because gigging enough to make a living is damn hard/lonely work...)

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:25:19 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music Creative Commons

      @freemjd Totally agree about free distribution, just think an artist should set terms, especially since listener rights are strong with !cc

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:27:10 UTC
    • Matthew Davidson Matthew Davidson CASH Music

      @cashmusic I'd go to more gigs (& gladly pay a cover charge) if I had a way of knowing in advance I was going to like the band.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:27:22 UTC
    • CASH Music CASH Music

      @freemjd and thanks for the conversation. truly appreciated.

      Wednesday, 04-Mar-09 04:35:14 UTC
    • Greg K Nicholson Greg K Nicholson

      @freemjd … #Jamendo should man up and say “nope, we're gonna carry on sharing it—licence says we can” …unless it's #NC. Damn NC.

      Sunday, 15-Mar-09 22:42:18 UTC

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