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   Intel's Imad Sousou keynote starting now. #lfcollab

   Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 21:48:32 UTC from web
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     Seems a bit weird to me both #Nokia & #Intel are *separately* talking of MeeGo. Makes me wonder if they are really integrated. #lfcollab

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 21:50:20 UTC
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   • Karsten Wade Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn My read? #MeeGo & Intel/Nokia are learning to work together akin to 2 FOSS collaborators, on a big scale. Impressed w/ fast evolution

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 21:55:43 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     At #lfcollab #Sousou claims #MeeGo is "fully open source software". This is completely wrong. Has he even looked at: http://ur1.ca/v4wj ?

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 21:57:02 UTC
   • Gerard Braad — 吉拉德 Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn there are two releases; an Open Codedrop and the Nokia Codedrop

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 21:58:15 UTC
   • Alexandre Oliva GNU Linux-libre project , Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn is MeeGo switching to !linuxlibre ?

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:00:04 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Karsten Wade

     @quaid,you're prob. right. Anyway, much bigger worry is how much proprietary software needed for #MeeGo & bold-faced denial of it. #lfcollab

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:00:45 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Alexandre Oliva

     @lxoliva,if #Sousou takes q's,I'll challenge his claim #MeeGo is 100% "open source". Amazed he'd claim something so clearly false. #lfcollab

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:02:57 UTC
   • Alexandre Oliva Free Software , GNU Linux-libre project , Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn MeeGo switching to !linuxlibre would just make sense. friends don't let friends run non-Free Software !fs

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:03:21 UTC
   • Alexandre Oliva Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn thanks. open source has always promoted a “more flexible” stance, but this is indeed pushing it to ridiculous extents

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:09:31 UTC
   • Alexandre Oliva Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn if he manages to get away with it in a Linux Foundation conference, the meaning of open source is hopelessly lost

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:10:19 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn

     #Sousou & #Jaaksi admits answering to my q: ∃ *no* way to run the FLOSS components on #MeeGo on device w/out proprietary software #lfcollab

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:23:39 UTC
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   • Christopher Allan Webber Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn That's a disappointment to hear. How deeply nested are those proprietary chains, did they say?

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:56:49 UTC
   • Christopher Allan Webber Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn (A disappointment, but not a surprise)

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 22:58:01 UTC
   • Christopher Allan Webber Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn It's unclear to me the distinction between meego & ofono in these releases. Was also claim ofono & layers below would be 100% free

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 23:07:52 UTC
   • Christopher Allan Webber Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn If ofono layers & below were 100% free, maybe possible to make calls using freesw w/o using UI stack.. but am skepitcal of that also

     Wednesday, 14-Apr-10 23:11:43 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Christopher Allan Webber

     @cwebber, to #MeeGo 's credit (or really, Maemo), the proprietary components are documented on their wiki. But the list is long: ur1.ca/v4wj

     Thursday, 15-Apr-10 00:04:57 UTC
   • Christopher Allan Webber Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn Yes, v. familiar w/ that page, but maemo 6 / meego such a rewrite I hoped it would be better freesw-wise this time

     Thursday, 15-Apr-10 00:31:06 UTC
   • Gerard Braad — 吉拉德 Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn they need to re-examine the new codedrop as most of those components do not exist in the current dev-release (merely a base system)

     Thursday, 15-Apr-10 00:35:21 UTC