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The Wrong #rPath to #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/zx9y assisting the company which openly attacks GNU/Linux, on which rPath’s business is based
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@schestowitz will the every be a day where we don't cry foul with MS? Pointing blame at them constantly isn't a win for anyone but them
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@nixternal: if the playing field was level i'd agree with you. trying to pretend it is doesnt do any good either.
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@dantalizing MS beat everyone to the punch, we don't need a level playing field to succeed, we just need less whiney people and more doers
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@nixternal I don't consider that to be whining. It's rational.
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@nixternal when people ask in !ubuntu IRC "why does Lucid suck?" I started telling them because we need more alpha testers and more fixers
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@maco Don't you guys get plenty of Alpha testers? I used to submit bug reports on all kinds of applications all through the pre-releases.
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@deadsuperhero no, just beta testers. commonly we ask people to test things in alpha 2 or so and are told "no, i'll wait til (beta|final)"
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@maco i tell them the same reason they suck! don't want it to suck, contribute or stfu! i am tired of little ass whiners
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@deadsuperhero of course, beta is only 3 weeks out from final, so by that point only critical bugs are being fixed
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@schestowitz: Agreed, I for one moved to !gnu !linux because it was cheaper and had better software (SuSE Linux). I was clueless about !fsf.
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Microsoft's predatory behaviour is the reason people start to dislike them and the quality of their overpriced software is horrible...
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@maco don't forget to mention that rushing "fixes" during the betas causes a lot of the regressions
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@maco Install CD detects an existing ext3 partition, told to make it ext4 with 'format' unchecked, without warning, formats it. [bug|not]?
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@rusty I would have preferred to 'upgrade' the system but the Upgrade tool couldn't get through the firewall.
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@rusty Upgrades to web don't include maintining PHP? Upgrade to Jabber doesn't maintain _any_ config?
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@rusty The machine that can't get through the corporate firewall for an Upgrade was in a place where I didn't have a test device available.
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@nixternal ms didnt get where they are by beating everyone to the punch. they got there by lying, cheating, and stealing.
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@nixternal i agree its time to move on but lets not start with the revisionist history
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@dantalizing show me a successful company that hasn't lied, cheated. or stolen something, and I will call bullshit ASAP.
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@nixternal: but your original argument wasn't that people shouldnt complain because all companies lies steal and cheat.
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@nixternal: and by that logic you should quit complaining about people whining because everyone does it.
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@dantalizing don't get where my logic about previous cheaters and what not prevents me from complaining. Anyways, see this is going nowhere
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@rusty not bug. you told it to change the format. it had no choice. the only bug is that it let you toggle the checkbox at all
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@rusty also, not "without warning" the confirmation page DOES tell you in this situation that it will format
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@maco The 'bug' is in not advising the user that switching from ext3 to ext4 is not like changing from ext2 to ext3.
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@maco which was appropriate for one of the partitions because it had been tagged to be formatted.
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@maco It's been over a week since it happened, and right now I don't recall. Mostly I'm mad at the release portion of update-manager.
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@maco & I'll admit that there are very likely many such situations that can't get fully tested. it was lts-lts.
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@rusty only a reinstall should have asked anything about formatting & partitions, i thought...
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@maco system is behind a firewall. 'update-manager -d' launches a tool that does not use update-manager's proxy settings, and fails.
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@maco that failure means that the only alternative I had was a cd based install.
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@maco: I have one lucid system that, every time grub-pc is upgraded, I get asked which partitions to install grub into.
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