Conversation
Notices
-
“join diaspora - the project” — http://www.joindiaspora.com/project.html
-
@gnuchris, great README. Where do I find the source code for this project? I did not see a link on that page. Did I miss it?
Simon Phipps likes this. -
@bkuhn I can't find it either, they say in the "first sprint" section that "September 2010 will signify the release of the project"
-
@gnuchris, Not real software freedom if developed in secret. Every FLOSS project not public from Day 0 has faced serious community problems.
Richard Fontana likes this. -
@bkuhn and which of the 4 freedoms is threatened by this kind of development? community is a *definite* …
-
@openuniverse,Has none of 4 freedoms for anyone as of now. It's secret. Can give them later,but after-the-fact communities are hard to build
-
@bkuhn I haven't surveyed to see if "every" is right, but I agree 100% public from Day 0 is a key principle: #TOSW http://bit.ly/TOSWDay0
Bradley M. Kuhn likes this. -
@bkuhn well that's true- until they release it as free software, it's not. and i don't know why they'd w…
-
@openuniverse,I think I understand why devs want it private,but I don't understand why ppl want to pay for something dev'ed in non-FLOSS way
Will Kahn-Greene likes this. -
@quaid,By "every" I meant: "never seen non-Day-0 public FLOSS project that didn't face serious community issues" Maybe 1 ∃ that I don't know
-
@bkuhn Xref'd with the experiences of all the people I know, I tend to concur. Just wanted to be clear there may be exceptions to the rule.
-
@bkuhn my guess is that they want to get as much work done as possible, and not "waste time" talking abo…
-
@bkuhn Can you cite the serious community issues with say, Firefox?
-
@bkuhn I'd posit that many floss programs were dev. in private until they had basic functionality. This doesn't make them nonfree.
-
@bkuhn Emacs and GCC were developed in a cathedral. The bazaar may be better but it doesn't mean Emacs & GCC aren't really free!
-
@sdanna, actually, they're non-FaiF until they're actually released to other ppl! Even FLOSS dev'd in 'cathedral' is still open to public!
-
@bkuhn I think you're not thinking careful about this. IMO, it's not that they are non-free, it simply that the idea doesn't apply.
-
@bkuhn It's not as if the array of shell scripts I've written on my system are "non-free" because I haven't released them.
-
@sdanna, Agreed custom software is ok & right to private mods is important, but keeping generally useful sw private isn't in spirit of FaiF.
-
I wrote a blog post about why software freedom projects should always be developed in public: "Where Are The Bytes?" http://ur1.ca/06y36
Mike Linksvayer likes this. -
@bkuhn why don't you guys put more pressure on Google with android? We get code dumps every4 months. Still no 2. 2 source code. Google fail.
-
@bkuhn Google loves "open source" as long as they can give you the fucking source code as they see fit. We give them a pass for some reason.
-
@bkuhn "a negative result can be just as compelling as a positive one" - hope my graduate advisor feels the same after recent epic FAIL :)
-
@bkuhn it gets interesting when you have specifications being written in private but intended to be made public eventually. I agree though.
-
@bkuhn I wish the diaspora guys would read that article
Bradley M. Kuhn likes this. -
@bkuhn Because you named perl6. Is this not one of the dangers of this complete open start: it takes years to get to something ... [1/2]
-
@bkuhn ...and I guess if there had not been Pugs (do not know how openly she worked), we would not get perl6 at all. [2/2]
-
@bkuhn An SFLC podcast retrospective about the SCO case would be cool.
-
@ovidius FWIW, Pugs was very open indeed (a commit bit for anyone who asked), and I think this has perhaps influenced current Perl 6 dev...
-
@snarkyboojum Yes, but it was an individual effort which was never meant to be a real project more a learning exercise when it started ...
-
@ovidius You're right that Pugs started that way, but that changed pretty quickly, so I think you're missing the point re openness etc.
-
@snarkyboojum My point was: total openness might take a lot of time. Sometimes you just need someone to start, before others can join.
-
@snarkyboojum It was a remark to @bkuhn's blog post, that everything should be open from day one.
-
@ovidius Then I agree - JFDI is part of being successfully open imo :)
-
All Identi.ca content and data are available under the