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@ender2070 treating having/being a vagina as an insult *is* insulting toward women. @lefty's ability to explain his call-outs is lacking.
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@maco saddened to read this http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexual_assault_at_Southeast_LinuxFest "Travis" needs help.
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@janetalkstech Travis needs some help, some gravity and a couple of flights of stairs, I think. I was appalled to hear about this.
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@janetalkstech #selinuxfest organizers are working on plans to handle issues better in future, and hopefully the pic will be a warning
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@maco i wasnt even aware of what happened. i do remember him not able to stand cos he almost fell on my dj gear. sorry to hear about it.
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@pak33m wait you were the dj? sorry, i was clearly failing at name->face mappings while there
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@maco yeppers that was me :) no biggie we were all busy bees. this year they had me dj during the conference and the parties.
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@janetalkstech he followed @maco when we went to dinner Saturday. There was no incident but it definitely creeped us out.
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@benanov there was an incident the night before where he grabbed me and tried to kiss me. also tried some stuff with another woman
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@maco Scoundrel! Where is he, I'll scalp him...
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@benanov make that /worse/ stuff with another woman...WAY worse
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@maco Oy. I guess I'm many of the people who didn't know about this at the time.
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@maco Too bad he didn't try it on some woman who'd studied martial arts. It might've been education for him.
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@lefty I'm just saying Apple decides what your computer does, and it may even have remote control. you blindly trust it doesn't
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@lefty do you also oppose transparency on the grounds that you blindly trust the government to do the right thing?
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@lefty until you can prove Apple has no backdoors onto your OS X machine, I stand by my claim that it may
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@lxoliva You are repeating a paranoid lie, which even RIchard Stallman found himself forced to retract _and_ apologize for.
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@lxoliva A complete strawman. I can choose my brand of computer. I don't get a selection of competing governments.
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@lxoliva Terrific. Maybe Apple will threaten to sue you, like they apparently did Richard Stallman.
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@lxoliva You can't prove a negative, in any case.
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@lxoliva Apple "decides what my computer does", and I don't? How?
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@lxoliva it's just about irrelevant whether it has "backdoors" or not- there were reports about that a …
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@lxoliva So, even though Stallman says quite clearly that it was wrong to make that claim, you're going to do it anyway, hm?
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@ender2070 So, you've personally examined every single line of source on _your_ computer, have you?
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@ender2070 You're still running proprietary games on Windows. So what, exactly, are you talking about?
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@lefty he was already in a cast... thatd be rather awful
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@ender2070 No, you can't: you wouldn't have the remotest idea what you were looking at. You can't program.
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@ender2070 Planning on writing my company, our clients, and my family to ask what they think of my opinions about OS X, harasser?
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@maco Sorry: I don't think I'd have cut him slack on that score.
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@maco "Probably it was that mouth that got you that nose."~Morgan Freeman as "The Boss" in /Lucky # Slevin/
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@ender2070 Well, Stuart Cheshire, the author of Bonjour, whom I hired into Apple, credits me by name in the foreword of his ZEROCONF book.
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@ender2070 So, where do you get the idea that "Apple doesn't seem to think so"? Just making things up and telling lies again? I suppose so.
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@ender2070 And what, precisely, have I claimed about Bonjour? That I _wrote_ it? No, never. But it wouldn't have been done without me.
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@ender2070 Why don't you write my company, our clients and my family to tell them all about this _deception_ you've discovered?
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@ender2070 Still claiming you're not harassing me? You're demonstrating otherwise, right here, right now.
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@ender2070 So, at which organizations have _you_been a director of Engineering? Managed software development? Been a tech lead? Coded....?
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@ender2070 Repeating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie, it makes it more of one. But you're a pathological liar, so I doubt you'll care.
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@maco You told us at dinner about the unwelcome kiss attempt, but I didn't learn about the hand grab until post-con.
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@ender2070 Did I write your boss? Your customers? Your family? Repeatedly? You did _all_ of that.
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@ender2070 No, I reported you to the police for having been a participant in the criminal harassment of members of my family, as you know.
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@ender2070 Maybe you should write my boss and anyone else you can think of to advise them that, in your opinion, I've fabricated my resume.
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@ender2070 You're a real credit to the FSF's "Community Response Team". They must be _terribly_ proud of you.
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@ender2070 I have a criminal case open here in California. You're named in it. Want to talk to the investigating officer?
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@lefty I'm not claiming OS X *has* a backdoor, like RMS did and retracted. I'm claiming it *may* have a backdoor
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@lefty we could prove a negative with access to the source code that Apple denies us
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@lefty sad != annoyed, it's easier for me to just block your noises out than to actually care enough to get you two to stop being ninnies
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@lxoliva You have no right to the source code, it doesn't belong to you. If you're that paranoid, get a different computer.
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@lefty Apple, like any programmer, decides what the computer will let you decide as long as you run the program as provided
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@lxoliva Unless you've personally examined, and accurately understand, every line of code on your machine, you're no better off.
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@lxoliva I'm claiming you molested your sister, murdered her, and made her into cheeseburgers. Prove me wrong.
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@lefty I can count on a huge community to help me understand the software I run and further our shared interests
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@lxoliva You're using a computer _full_ of software which is the same. You have no idea what it _actually_ does.
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@lefty whereas with Apple alll the community of developers is in Apple's payroll, to further Apple's interests, not ours
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@lxoliva And I can rely on my own years of completely problem-free experience with Macs, and that of millions of others.
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@lefty sorry, I don't have my own source code to offer you. I might if I did. Apple, OTOH, has source code for OS X, which they deny you
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@lxoliva That's nonsense. Are you claiming that everyone who writes OS X programs is employed by Apple? Ridiculous.
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@lxoliva No more than Coca Cola "denies" me the recipe for their syrup, nor than Stephen King "denies" me the right to resell his novels.
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@lefty no, just the base operating system. would you please stop twisting my words?
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@lefty you don't need the recipe to add lemon to the drink to better suit your taste, or to imagine a different twist to King's novels
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@lxoliva But the "base operating system", Darwin, is _completely_ open source. What are you talking about?
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@lefty do you get from Apple the complete corresponding sources to the binaries they ship? under what licensing terms?
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@lxoliva How, exactly, have I "twisted your words", anyway?
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@lxoliva No, you don't. But you can download the Darwin sources from Apple's site, under the free and open source APSL license.
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@lxoliva I mean that they don't ship copies with Macs. Most people wouldn't want them, and it's a waste of a DVD.
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@lxoliva And you don't need all the OS X source code to imagine, or even implement, improvements to OS X. What's your point?
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@lefty how do you know the binary software you run is built out of the published source code? if it isn't, the binary you get is non-Free
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@lefty how do you get the source code for the Darwin binaries on iPhones and iPads?
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@lxoliva Sigh. I've never claimed that the binary OS X I get from Apple is "Free" or even "free". What _are_ you talking about?
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@lxoliva Same sources, as I understand it. The iPhone and iPad run a version of OS X. I believe the kernel's the same.
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@lxoliva Really, is there some point in this? Again, you're repeating a lie that even the FSF backed away from.
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@lefty point is, even though “upstream” Darwin is OSS, the binaries Apple ships aren't, and nobody can tell what else they put in there
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@lefty again, you're twisting my words, unless you can't tell the difference between “has” and “may have”
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@lxoliva So, are you claiming to know, to a metaphysical certainty, that no "free software" system contains, or could contain a "back door"?
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@lxoliva That's the standard of proof you would seem to be demanding here. I'm surprised you use a computer at all, worrying as you do.
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@lefty next time you attribute such a nonsensical claim to me, please point at where you got the idea from that I made such a claim
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@lxoliva I understand the difference between "has" and "desperately wish to imagine it has for reasons of bias against the company".
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@lxoliva That's what you asked of Apple. You want them to release the source code, so that you can personally see there's no "back door".
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@lxoliva You made that nonsensical claim right here: http://identi.ca/notice/37743945
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@lxoliva Maybe you're having trouble telling the difference between a defamatory assertion and a defamatory rumor.
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@lxoliva Without evidence to back them up, they're both as good as lies, so the difference seems minimal.
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@lxoliva Let's see this sister you're claiming you never molested, murdered and devoured.
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@lefty it's nothing personal about Apple. transparency is just a good idea in itself. or do you oppose it? (I didn't see an answer)
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@lefty there are only two kinds of non-Free Software: those with known backdoors, and those about which we don't know
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@lxoliva That's blatantly preposterous.
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@lxoliva I don't oppose it, but I certainly don't _demand_ it, either.
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@lxoliva Based on your claims, it seems to be _very_ "personal about Apple". You're willing to spread defamation without evidence.
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@lxoliva afaik apple does not publish the source code of the version of darwin they build for their devices with ARM arch
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@lxoliva So: _every single piece of software on the planet_ that isn't "free" has a "back door" in it. You _know_ this. How?
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@lxoliva I can build darwin as I see fit and run as I would like regardless what changes apple makes to the darwin they ship as part of osx.
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@lxoliva I think you should stay far, far away from computers with these kinds of concerns. Not to mention ATMs, cameras, toasters....
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@benanov i'm glad he didn't escalate & that he heeded the organizers' warnings.
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@janetalkstech I'm sad that he wasn't arrested for assault. /cc @benanov
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@lefty +1, but it's the victims' choice as to how far the matter is pursued.
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@janetalkstech In that sense yes it's fortunate he (finally) complied.
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@benanov Agreed, but this experience will NOT dissuade him from future repeat attempts. Mark my words.
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@lefty & he'll probably become more violent / forceful with his next victims. May not respect women; seems he stopped when men intervened.
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@benanov The more I hear, the unhappier I get. Good for him _and_ me that I wasn't there at the time, I guess.
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@ender2070 Maybe you should actually check the facts before you make claims you can't back up. (Liar.)
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@ender2070 Those are both valid email addresses. That's your "circumvention"....? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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@ender2070 You banned me because I was pointing out that the "boycottlefty" ID belonged to you. That's also why you forged comments from me.
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@ender2070 That's pretty exciting stuff for a guy who's playing sockpuppet games over on Twitter. Neither @_Goblin nor I were impressed.
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@ender2070 Like your multiple IDs here and on Twitter, you mean? Did I refer to myself in the 3rd person, as you did? http://bit.ly/cD5v9m
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@ender2070 "Oh, Mr. Kettle! There's a Mr. Pot on the line for you!"
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@ender2070 Might be because people who harass my employer and family are the scum of the earth. You'd seem to be the one whining right now.
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@ender2070 @_Goblin also told you, "You are a liar." http://bit.ly/9fZC18 He got _that_ right.
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@ender2070 Are you trying to insult me by implying that I have a vagina? Do you hate women as much as you hate gay and transgendered folks?
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@ender2070 You sound like a very spoiled, very poorly brought-up, very stupid child. !justsayin
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@ender2070 Oh man, this is a trip down memory lane. I remember when you made those anti-LGBT comments about a year ago.
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@lefty He may be inbred.
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@ender2070 "I do not wish to see my hard work of 2 years flushed down the toilet by association with your actions." http://bit.ly/da0a1s
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@deadsuperhero He's made more as recently as a few days ago. He suggested that @Elland_Road was my "butt buddy".
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@lefty Why am I not surprised? Fail troll fails.
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@ender2070 You _would_. Do you need someone to explain it to you? Why do you hate LGBT people and women so much? What'd they ever do to you?
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@ender2070 And is _that_ supposed to insult me? Or is it supposed to show, again, how you hate women? I don't understand what you're saying.
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@deadsuperhero Are you watching this? @ender2070 is digging himself a deep hole, entirely with his _mouth_.
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@ender2070 Who said I'm taking offense? You sound like you're trying to be offensive by calling me that, and I can't work out why.
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@ender2070 (You _clavicle_!) !WTF?
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@ender2070 What have I "spun"? What's that mean, anyway? Are you trying to call me a "cunt" without saying "cunt" or something? Spit it out.
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@ender2070 You "said it" by seeming to feel that accusing me of having a vagina, or (bizarrely) _calling_ me a "vagina" should be insulting.
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@ender2070 If you had some other intent, please clarify it. This and the anti-LGBT comments make you appear to be an extremely hateful guy.
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@ender2070 (As though harassing uninvolved members of people's families wasn't enough...)
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@ender2070 What are you talking about? Are you a psychiatrist or a physician? Your regular anti-woman and anti-LGBT jabs are hateful.
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@ender2070 Where'd you take your degree, "Doctor"? And what the hell are you talking about? Is "butt buddy" a medical or psychiatric term?
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@ender2070 Wow. You're a severely disturbed human being. You've got some serious problems.
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@ender2070 Hey, Ender. My girlfriend is transgendered. Why not lay off making fun of the people you don't understand?
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@ender2070 You imagine the (disputed) notion of "Gender Identity Disorder" justifies the kind of crap you're pulling _here_? You're ill.
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@deadsuperhero His explanation of why it's just fine to suggest that @Elland_Road is my "butt buddy" is Gender Identity Disorder.
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@deadsuperhero He claims your girlfriend has a "disorder". He took his internship at "Wikipedia Disputed Article University".
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@ender2070 Still digging that hole with your mouth, are you? No wonder you can't see how sexist Stallman's "joke" was: you're a bigger pig.
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@deadsuperhero I imagine @ender2070 might regret this when he sobers up. I'm taking screenshots.
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@lefty Actually, in truth it is referred to as a psychological disorder, but it's not actually a derogatory term in and of itself.
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@deadsuperhero He provided it as an "explanation" of why he posts anti-woman and anti-LGBT insults. That's just _ill_.
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@deadsuperhero Evidently, @ender2070's "reasoning" is that, if "physicians and psychiatrists" call it a "disorder", then it's fair game.
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@ender2070 Harassed anyone else's family lately? Forged any good comments? By the way, I like the beard: you look 14 instead of 9.
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@ender2070 Brandon, you _are_ a cartoon show, but a very sad, pathetic and unfunny one.
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@ender2070 Yet you're arranging them in such a way to be derogatory to the LGBT community.
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@ender2070 So, nothing said on a TV or cartoon show could ever be considered hateful? Interesting set of criteria.
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@ender2070 "Has sand in one's vagina" == "cries too much"? And you complained I was "sexist" for referring to my mom at LUGRadio Live?
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@ender2070 The irony of your pulling this in a thread about a guy who tried to force himself on women at a conference recently is agonizing.
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@ender2070 LOOK AT THE LINK AT THE VERY TOP OF THE THREAD, YOU WORTHLESS MORON. Thanks for demonstrating that you're part of the problem.
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@ender2070 No, Caps is code for "I don't believe you've mastered reading lower case letters yet." Thanks for being part of the problem.
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@ender2070 Wow. You're told someone tries to sexually assault women at a conference, and your first reaction is "prove it"? Wow twice.
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@ender2070 Well, that's what you're doing, sucker. You're posting your uber-sexist crap on a thread about sexual assault. Well done. Pig.
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@ender2070 Don't bother deleting it, either: I've got the screen shots already.
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@ender2070 Oh, you _thought_. How novel. Like you "thought" I was a drug addict? Like you "thought" I was a pedophile?
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@ender2070 Dimwit, I don't _need_ to "direct this to other people": you've been sending them emails of every, single piggish, hateful slur.
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@ender2070 Did I "harass" you? Did I email your boss? Your customers? Your family? Is that the kind of "harassment" you mean?
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@ender2070 No, you were being disrespectful and hateful to women, you were being disrespectful and hateful to LGBT folks... just for starts.
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@ender2070 Like I say, you seem to hate and disrespect an awful lot of people, many of whom you don't even know.
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@ender2070 Not to mention being incredibly insensitive in posting "sand in your vagina" comments—that's "making fun"?—on this thread.
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@ender2070 I replied to you on a public microblogging site. I didn't email your boss, your customers or members of your family, did I?
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@ender2070 If you don't like getting replies here, go elsewhere. That's actually what this site is _for_, see?
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@ender2070 What's _that_ have to do with anything? It's a hateful thing to say, and where you've been saying it makes it only worse.
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@ender2070 You think women on this thread are comforted that your sexist insults were "directed at me", as opposed to them?
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@ender2070 It seems like @deadsuperhero isn't much comforted by this "explanation"....
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@lefty Nope, I'm really not.
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@deadsuperhero Imagine my incredible surprise. =|
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@ender2070 See that? "Just directed at you, Lefty" is not a defense of hateful speech aimed at insulting women and LGBT folks.
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@ender2070 Oh, the guy calling me a "vagina" says _I'm_ "foaming at the mouth". You're done all right. Someone oughta stick a fork in you.
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@lefty I'm really not that bothered though, if anything it's the motivation I need to launch my FOSS LGBT campaign that I wanted to do.
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@deadsuperhero I don't think he has that solid an excuse. I see him as purposefully hateful, with regular excursions to "bone stupid".
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@deadsuperhero It's all about context - calling someone a really nice person can be said so horribly it becomes a curse ;) Tone of voice...
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@leinir Oh, you. :P
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@deadsuperhero It's my mission in life to inform everybody that context is everything, and that calling someone a cunt can be really nice :)
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@leinir Yes, but I fear not everyone shares your fresh perspective on the matter. :)
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@maco: Interesting, I don't think many males would consider calling someone a 'dick' as insulting towards our gender as a whole.
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@ender2070 You loathsome toad. "Went too far". huh? Did you "go to far" when you harassed my boss, our clients, and my family members?
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@ender2070 Don't forget poor judgment, poor consideration, and poor thinking. Nice that you got an chance to show what a maggot you are.
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@openuniverse There's no evidence that I've seen that Apple upgrades _anything_ on an OS X system without the user's knowledge and consent.
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@maco Plus, when I pointed out to him what this thread he was posting his hate on was about, his first reaction was to demand "evidence".
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