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A month of Diaspora in action. First screenshots/video! http://bit.ly/clOFXx
Friday, 02-Jul-10 06:13:11 UTC from web- Sage Ross, alphazo and japandreamer like this.
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@joindiaspora --> hi guys, congrats from italy...i rili like ur prj, it rocks :D ...keep it up!!!!
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@joindiaspora Loving your work guys! If you would like to setup an instance(s) of pre alpha !diaspo…
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I'm sad to see @joindiaspora developing in a truly proprietary software way. I was hoping they'd be a software freedom project. Guess not.
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@paulbooker, Seems to be no chance you can setup any instances of @joindiaspora; the #diaspora software is currently proprietary AFAICT.
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@bkuhn I don't really mind if it's developed similar to proprietary software, as long as it gets liberated, which is scheduled for September
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@bkuhn Last I checked, #joindiaspora had just got to the "we're going to do this" video, figured I'd check later. Thoughts on #onesocialweb?
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@jamestait, #onesocialweb looks like a corporate project w/ code thrown over wall. Nice to see they use XMPP, but is it a community project?
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@bkuhn Better then being a "community-based" project, only to refuse to listen to feedback (Canonical).
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@jacobwb, FLOSS development includes pushing out code that doesn't work yet. I blogged re: that; wish @joindiaspora 'd read it: ur1.ca/06y36
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@bkuhn I beg to differ. "Open Source" devs often think this way, but not Free Software devs. Also, Blender isn't developed that way either.
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@bkuhn Canonical claims Ubuntu's a community project, but the decisions are not made based on the community's opinion, but solely on "merit"
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@bkuhn Not really, they build then package (TAR) as stable as can be alpha 1/2/3 to beta 1/2/3 to stable.
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@bkuhn I haven't yet looked closely enough to find out. I noted Vodafone's involvement, which made me wary, but haven't tried to contribute.
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@jacobwb, I think ∃ *many* #problematic issues w/ #Canonical / #Ubuntu. But most *is* dev'd public (not #UbuntuOne, which is proprietary ☹).
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@bkuhn guess my gut feeling was right after all.
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@jwildeboer I had that gut feeling too...
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@jacobwb, there's some merit in that pt, #Diaspora is mostly "private software",but I think their hawking of it makes it like proprietary sw
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@bkuhn I think that's a bit harsh. It isn't non-free because for us, it doesn't exist. It's vaporware (for now).
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@joindiaspora glad it's going well, but we don't get the code until sept? really? why are you building a cathedral? #FaiF #FAIL
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@bkuhn I believe, for other reasons, though. Not too many quality Free Software 3D programs, easy to understand why there's no popular forks
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@bkuhn what's "throw code over wall project"?
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@teddks,vaporware is accurate description of #Diaspora. Problem: @joindiaspora consuming FLOSS resources & attention w/out joining community
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@osamak, short dfn of "throw code over the wall": project developed in private that dumps code under a FLOSS license on some interval.
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@bkuhn They are pushing it a little hard (or are we?) for having nothing to show or use, but hey, most software project do.
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@bkuhn but still 100% free?
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@osamak, typically, yes, there aren't *moral* problems w/ software's license, but model is #problematic due to serious community issues.
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@bkuhn but there is no reason not to recommend using it instead of non-FaiF 3d software, is there?
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@jacobwb,problem is: @joindiaspora *has* something to show (apparently) but refuse for reasons that contradict #FaiF principles. #disturbing
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@osamak,written like @rms himself would.☺ You're quite correct,but it's important to raise concerns re: #problematic community behavior, too
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@bkuhn, @jacobwb, blender doesn't look "over the wall" to me: http://www.blender.org/development/coding-guides/svn-checkout-and-usage/.
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@warp SVN code appears to compile the same version that is up for download as a .tar right now, 2.5 Alpha 2. Unless nothing has changed yet.
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@bkuhn so the hours spent on listening and reading to him gave something? ☺It's just that I've been recommending it to friends for long time
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@bkuhn Technically true, but they've got a huge job to do. Many devs don't publish till the code is working. Let's http://ur1.ca/03xlm .
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@evan,I'm ok w/ ur1.ca/03xlm ,even w/ proprietary devs. Not asking @joindiaspora take public contributions yet;read-only git tree'd be fine
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@bkuhn the (significant?) difference being blender never intended to go free? it was incidental, like w/ netscape/mozilla?
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@openuniverse,I think the discussion this morning concluded that #Blender was not relevant example to compare to "throw over the wall" model
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@jacobwb it's like shrodinger's cat! except the way things turned out, we just ended up using gnu cat instead
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@joindiaspora What does "Prep for source code freedom" mean? Can you provide git straight away?
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@joindiaspora That said, the screenies look good! Is "suck history from Facebook" an initial feature, or planned for future?
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@jacobwb That's best. Technical decisions are not democratic. Should be made by people best equipped, not the masses or appointees
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@evan Uh, trying to make my point stronger? Thanks for that I guess. Free software = free access to the code.
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@agg no, I'm making the point that some great projects have been announced before code is ready.
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@evan It's not a good point though. GNU was announced before there was any code, @joindiaspora has code now.
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@evan Not to mention rms wasn't asking for money to see the forthcoming code early, or even asking for money at all.
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@agg Wasn't RMS charging 200$ for Emacs on tape in the early days?
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@agg@identi.ca Wasn't RMS charging 200$ for Emacs on tape in the early days?
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@millette Actually a company decided to donate $200 to him for each tape to redistribute to their customers if I recall correctly.
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@agg you said, 'Most don't announce an "open source" project before they actually have code to show either.' I presented a counterexample.
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@agg It's a different situation, but I still wanted to point it out. From http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the…
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@evan Hm, it was badly worded. Sorry about that. "before they're willing to show their code" might have been better.
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@millette I think thats a good idea for any project, Red Hat wouldn't be where it is if it wasn't. There must be free code though.
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@agg dude, go ahead and hate on @joindiaspora. As one of the only ppl in the world who've done what they're trying to do, I sympathize.
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@evan I hack, not having code troubles and frustrates me. Ad-hoc protocols frustrate me. My concern isn't unfounded. Compare to !daisychain.
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@agg Hacker != Hater
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@agg,I think @evan has pt;There's no harm in announcing 1st;I'm skeptical b/c @joindiaspora isn't working in !FaiF way,but I don't hate them
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@evan Notice how it's only been you implying that. I'm not capable of hating a project. I wonder why hopeful projects don't get this defense
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@bkuhn and no, there's no harm in announcing first. Unless you have code, claiming to be open, and asking for donations to see said code.
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@agg,Yes,I was skeptical from start since @joindiaspora said they weren't developing in a !FaiF way. I hoped they'd come around, but didn't.
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@bkuhn I probably would too if I haven't seen so many broken promises.
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@agg, I've seen the same, many times. I still hope @joindiaspora will recover from their proprietary preferences & join the !FaiF community.
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great post by @bkuhn http://is.gd/dj9tq , provocatory quote: « proprietary licensing is akin to selling financial derivatives »
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We're awaiting and awaiting and awaiting. I rarely use FB, I got tired of G+ - the time is now!
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oh yeah!
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