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!ubuntu !linux gets very good press in a mainstream news portal in !Poland - http://is.gd/de587 (in Polish!)
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@magneito: Banshee sucks, it's a freaking Mono app :-(
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@ml2mst I dono why ppl are so upset by mono. I run some mono apps, Banshee and f-Spot, and they are rely good, and responsive.
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@gegoxaren The problem is mono is in a legally grey area. Plus, .net is about re-inventing the wheel and patent it.
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@sylvaind Feah, but it is a hell of a lot better then Java, and there is no other JIT implementation that can do what it does. inb4 LLVM.
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@ml2mst mono is free software
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@magneito I find it hard to believe that glibc has non-free code
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@magneito where's the non-free code in gcc? (honest question, I really do not know). and show me an entity that could, potentially, sue for
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@magneito oh, and !ubuntu (and many other !linux distros) movet to EGLIBC (http://is.gd/demMF) lately. ;)
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@fheinz well, it used to have some at least: http://is.gd/detmw
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@chipaca glibc uses Sun RPC, every line of mono code respects the users four freedoms !gnu !fsf
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@rysiek mono itself respects the four freedoms required by the fsf - the patent risk is FUD and does not exist
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@rysiek microsoft wants everyone to use C#, why sue people? Sun and Bell Labs didn't sue anyone who implemented their patents
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@ralsina yep, I saw that... but the last mention of it was in 2003 or something, so I guessed it'd be solved by now
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@magneito ah, so it's an argument about the definition of Free, is it? Colour me not interested.
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@fheinz I believe it's a bug from 2002: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181493
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@gegoxaren Do you have any benchmarks or comparative links? I remember that the Java JIT was quite efficient, so I'd like to know more.
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@sylvaind: http://is.gd/deZdQ http://is.gd/deZjT It has meen some time since I did any "mathework" in any lang, so I can not write test.
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@chipaca You don't get the FSF four freedoms with Sun RPC
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@sylvaind EMCA 335 336 are available to all for free
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@fheinz No actually it's not solved, Simon Phipps mentioned it last year but sun never changed the license. Talk to Oracle about it.
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@chipaca It is still not fixed either. It's still non free, and it's still there.
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@rysiek Sun RPC, Oracle *could* sue for it if they really wanted to do it. They never relicensed the code.
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@gegoxaren Java pre-allocates a lot of memory @startup. Maybe it explains the difference. What do you use to compile .net?
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@magneito Sounds as though the FSF might need to institute an enforcement action against the FSF here.
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@magneito For free or freely?(in beer or in freedom?). IIRC it's patent protected & free only if you make windows software (or a novell OS)
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@lefty another article for freeishsoftware?
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@sylvaind Its under an OSI approved license, free as in freedom
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@magneito Can you tell me which one? is there any patent protection like GPLv3 provides? (as a start: http://ur1.ca/0ka9f )
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@magneito in some cases, you are free to use the code, soft or specification&you're also free to pay M$ a fee in order to avoid it's lawers
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@sylvaind what are you rambling on about?
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@sylvaind GPL2
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@magneito The novell-Microsoft agreement stating M$ won't sue novell customers for using M$ "techs" in Linux (meaning samba, office docs...)
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@sylvaind look up 'community promise' it extends the technology to non novell users
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@magneito promising... but still, you can't "fork" the specifications, even for improving it. Or else, you wont be covered as said in 6th Q.
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