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@fontana,I was surprised @tedgould said that. It's great if #Canonical has default v3-licensing. OTOH,they require a poor © assignment form.
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@fontana, yeah, I noticed that too. I clearly accidentally hit a M-t there bf. sending & didn't notice. I'll clarify bf. anyone uses it. :)
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@fontana,having company never hold copyright is #problematic for other reasons, though. Does #Red_Hat do that so it's never a "contributor"?
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@fontana,That'd work, but I'm surprised to learn #Red_Hat employment agreements disclaim © on work-for-hire. #Progressive *and* #disturbing.
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@fontana, do you think those patent grants are stronger if an entity becomes a contributor and/or © holder rather than merely distributor?
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@fontana, don't you agree ∃ benefits if patent-holding companies are contributors/© holders under some FLOSS licenses? Maybe worth red-tape?
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@fontana, my argument is we need a good mix of both. I do agree that allowing employees to keep copyright is progressive & good.
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@threethirty, we aren't fighting. This is how @fontana & I enjoy ourselves on a Saturday night. You'll understand when you're older. :)
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@bkuhn: To be curious, do you think Project Harmony is going to help the Copyright Assignment forms? http://is.gd/dnoWI
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@tedgould,depends completely on whether the assignment agreements promise to never proprietarize assigned contributions to copylefted work.
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@tedgould, you may be interested to read a blog post I wrote on this issue when #Canonical started promoting Harm ony: http://ur1.ca/l8c5
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@bkuhn lol I'm pickin' up what you're layin' down... my friends and I are the same way you guys are just less vulgar :)
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@fontana, I truly struggle w/ it. I prefer individuals to hold own ©, but want benefit of corporate contributor licensing. How to reconcile?
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@bkuhn: Ah, yes. It'd be interesting if Harmony could fix it, but the private company issue still holds and I'm not sure what it could say.
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@ender2070,I use !debian. Details explained: ur1.ca/jtms . To be clear,I've issues w/ #Canonical & #Red_Hat,but both do lots of good as well
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@tedgould,it's easily done:just promise in contract not to proprietarize. Such language already exists;but some companies want relicensing $
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@ender2070,FSF endorsed a few. I personally think Debian does a good job & is community-controlled. FSF still has concerns w/ Debian, though
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@bkuhn: "no proprietarize" is a big region. Some contributors could be offended by everything from BSD to "Open Core" (buzzword bingo B-5!)
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@tedgould, my point is: if one person can proprietarize, all should be able to (ala BSD). Issue is primarily Open Core & things like it.
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@bkuhn: It seems like if the 99% case is GPL, it's better to have copyright assignment than to take into account the 1% by making it all BSD
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@bkuhn: Ideally. My point is: if a corp wants to reserve the right to proprietarize (but probably won't) isn't assignment better than BSD.
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@tedgould,I used to think so, but the horribleness that #MySQL AB's business model became changed my mind. I blogged about it: ur1.ca/dt7t
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@tedgould, I don't mind pointing you to blog posts that are relevant. My blog as a whole is not mandatory reading before talking to me. :)
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@bkuhn: So you're saying that hastily buying a new Kindle and "The Complete Kuhn" e-book might have been a bad decision?
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@tedgould, Some of what I write is crap, so you definitely don't want "The Complete Bkuhn". As for Kindle, well, you can guess my views. :)
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@bkuhn I'd buy that book! As a CC'ed DRM-free epub of course! ;)
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@bkuhn Isn't the problem using the Kindle for Amazon's purposes? What is wrong with using it for CC'ed materials?
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