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RT @gabrielsaldana: RT @arnebab: “Theists believe all gods but theirs are fake." // MMeep error! True theists know ALL god{,dess}'s are true
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@tzk please remember: believing is not knowing. But please read the original dent: I quoted fortune-mod :)
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@tzk the kinds of theists you name should never ever start a religious war, since the others are right, too ⇒ sadly they are a minority.
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@arnebab i'm that kind of theist: no one has the absolute true, nor knowledge at all; the "religious" wars are like others: kill for wealth.
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@arnebab there is nothing like "original" in quoting a fortune-cookie ;) // And knowledge it's only a way of believing.
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@tzk that’s cool then :) Do you also aknowledge the possible nonexistance of god?
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rt @tzk: @arnebab i'm that kind of theist: no one has the absolute true, nor knowledge at all; the "rel…
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@arnebab I'm theist, you know, i believe in the divinity and that's real for me, if you don't i have not any trouble with that ;)
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@tzk I believe that people have certain experiences they explain with divinity. Others explain the same with spirits or psychology.
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@arnebab or beer
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@arnebab but i'm on tzk's side on this one
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@arnebab well you said "spirits" already, didn't you
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@tzk I didn’t yet find an experiment which can differenciate between god, spirits and telepathy. All can explain “divine” experiences.
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@tzk And then there’s complex psychological interaction…
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@arnebab i think if nothing else, it's a marvelous way to get in better touch with your imagination- th…
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@openuniverse well, I also don’t know any experiments to test if spirits/gods/… exist for themselves or are created by the observers.
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@arnebab no, i don't "do" existence of god one way or the other. i think people put too much emphasis o…
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@openuniverse The first test is “is there information transfer we can’t yet explain with physics?”
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@arnebab only if you think it's that important
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@arnebab first q for me is "why talk to something/someone if you're not sure they exist?" and that's a …
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@openuniverse it’s important if you want to find out about the nature of reality. → http://is.gd/e2PAP
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@openuniverse not from the view of physics :)
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@arnebab i'm fine with what science says about the nature of reality. but when i want to stretch my ima…
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@openuniverse oh damn is google translate crappy on philosophical texts… ;)
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@arnebab right- i'm fine with physics defining reality, but i'm also fine with putting reality aside fo…
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@arnebab i think it's safe to say that religion on the whole has as much opportunity to enrich our live…
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@arnebab so people say "but star trek doesn't claim it's reality" fine- so don't claim religion is reality and you're good
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@openuniverse then you use #religion for the purpose for which I use #fantasy, !sciencefiction and roleplaying games (!rpg) :)
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@openuniverse jepp. When religious people don’t say that what they believe has to be real, all is fine :)
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@arnebab yeah and besides, they should be humble enough to know they wouldn't necessarily know god when…
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@openuniverse but many “experienced” god, and it has to be god, because it couldn’t be anything else — or could it? :)
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@arnebab of course it could. just because god spoke to you in person doesn't mean you're not fucking nuts
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@openuniverse or even if you’re not nuts, you could just misinterpret your experience.
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@openuniverse may I copy our discussion on my site and use it under GPL?
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@arnebab in terms of scientific reality, sure. me, i try to take a scientific pov into account at all t…
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@arnebab everything i say on status.net is cc by and that SHOULD be compatible with gpl anyway (i'd rea…
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@openuniverse I know, but I want to ask anyway :) thanks!
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@arnebab ok, but i'm going to say the same thing every time you ask, because for me it's a matter of principle
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@openuniverse same for me, I think, but it’s a matter of good manners ;)
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@openuniverse discussion on #religion, #dogma, #god, #fantasy and #startrek archived → http://draketo.de/deutsch/magie/licht#comment-316
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@arnebab wow, you get long replies- fast! (just one question: what's "das 'finger weg'"?)
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@openuniverse I added it as comment myself. The main article is from 2007.
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@openuniverse “finger weg” is “don’t use creative commons licenses if you want to be sure that the sources stay free”
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@openuniverse I think we already discussed that ;)
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@openuniverse sorry, no. You meant the comment.
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@openuniverse that comment is from someone who believes in real working magic.
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@arnebab is it a hand gesture?
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@arnebab and who believes that the magic with power is dangerous and you shouldn’t meddle with it – not even to understand it. I disagree…
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@openuniverse it means „don’t touch it“
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@openuniverse and who believes that magic with power is dangerous and you shouldn’t meddle with it – not even to understand it. I disagree…
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@openuniverse or “stay away from it”
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@openuniverse read you tomorrow… (bed)
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@arnebab a responsible scientist would treat magic like chemicals- at least if someone said they were d…
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@openuniverse jupp, exactly.
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@openuniverse good night to you, too!
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@leorockway i had soooo much fun with 1.2.5 today- restarted the wm, got iwconfig working for the first…
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OOH you can do everything without the mouse in twitch/y! (gtk is so cool) @speeddefrost #mouseneedsbatteries
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@openuniverse mice are so overrated anyways. they're useless for everything (except games and such).
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@openuniverse ultralite is @tekk 's idea (a great one) I haven't even tried it yet. I'm working 7 days a week; it doesn't leave me much time
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@leorockway well good thing he's working on it, eh? he's getting really good at it
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