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"Canonical Chief Operating Officer Matt Asay tweets that Neary's analysis "tracks *all-time" !Gnome contributions." http://ur1.ca/0zz0r
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@schestowitz which is partly correct, but Neary only looks at stuff in GNOME 2.30, so subset only.
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@jwildeboer Its the entire history upto GNOME 2.30 FYI
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@schestowitz @jwildeboer Asay needs to learn basic math. So RH existed ~2x as long as a Gnome contributor. Still doesn't explain 16:1 ratio.
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@fabsh But you assume a sort of growth where rather than linear Ubuntu just sort of generates at same pace since inception. Won't work.
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@fabsh The last excuse I heard was they had 16x the staff dedicated to coding. Which raises more questions than it answers. ;-)
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@rahulsundaram not correct. It is all components that are in 2.30 with their full history. Not full hist of GNOME.
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@fabsh I still love the fact that Lennart alone accounts for more GNOME commits than Canonical. :)
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@psquid That is pretty telling, yes. That blows the less employees argument out of the water as well.
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@schestowitz Of course it doesn't work. It doesn't work b/c Ubuntu does stuff on top of Gnome mostly which is exactly what this report shows
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@schestowitz Of course I know why the Canonical brass has to diffuse this, it destroys years of PR work for them.
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@jwildeboer I am not sure of the distinction you are making. I am saying the stats include the full history of the modules in GNOME 2.30
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@fabsh In Ubuntu's defence, they do have a lot of users who needs maintenance patches, so Canonical needs to have developers keep up w/ that
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@jwildeboer Not just the commits for that particular release. I don't think you disagree with that.
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@robmyers Well, apparently RH has a 40 people desktop team working on Gnome. Don't know about Canonical, they never say...
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@schestowitz Well, if they shipped stock Gnome they could upstream all of that and would have way more commits, right?
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@fabsh I'm guessing not enough that they aren't a corporate free rider, however one massages the numbers.
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@rahulsundaram I don't. But other people claim Neary looked at all code ever committed in GNOME - which is not correct, I guess we agree :-)
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@fabsh I guess that's possible but they have a different story to tell
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This week my job consists of writing #lists. Not Python lists, just lists.
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@schestowitz Of course they have. Every company has. Microsoft even says they are embracing open source. ;)
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@fabsh I think an interesting question would be a comparison on the diff of Canonical's changes against Gnome stock and what % it *could* be
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@felimwhiteley Why? They seem to have no interesting in shipping stock Gnome.
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@schestowitz nah they use RedHat and Novell engineers for that ;-)
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@fabsh Well what if it turns out their max % was 2% then this nonsense seems wasted breath.. as a KDE user I don't really care about Gnome..
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@fabsh ..that much but I find it distastful all the negative comments from RH/Fed people or the appearance there of.. seems like with all..
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@fabsh ..that % of dev U still has more users then maybe RH/Fed need to step back and see if they should do something to get those users
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@fabsh They do. Like a python embraces a gazelle.
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@schestowitz LOL! ;)
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@felimwhiteley Why? 2% isn't so much better. Also, they contribute 0 to KDE, don't they?
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@felimwhiteley Fedora does not want the same kind of users as Ubuntu. They want contributors.
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@fabsh yes they contribute 0% to KDE, kubuntu is community based (http://ur1.ca/100jb), which is fine. You've made my point about Fed then
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@fabsh why care what Ubuntu does or doesn't do if it's not the same aim, it's all FOSS there's little for you to complain about :)
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@felimwhiteley Well, Fedora is community-based too. We still contribute to Gnome (and KDE, I believe). ;)
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@fabsh school kids going teacher teacher etc. But agina I might be getting wrong vibe from this. The crux of my point is shopping for a..
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@fabsh distro do I want to use Fed after this.. I'm not sure I do. I tihnk it's done you Fed folks a dis-service.. anyway just an opinon ;)
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@felimwhiteley Because I don't pay for it? Does that mean I also can't complain about quality of the air I breathe for example?
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@felimwhiteley The point is that Canonical's PR is finally getting countered by facts which is very healthy IMO.
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@felimwhiteley I don't care who I do a disservice. I say what I believe and you are free to do the same. That's my style.
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@fabsh I believe kubuntu contributes to kde. But I could be mistaken
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@fabsh no but if by complaining in a particular way you make yourself appear confrontational then it can damage what you actually believ in
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@lorddrachenblut They probably do. I agree that both Canonical and RH probably don't though...
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@felimwhiteley Oh my god. I should stop now. I am evil.... Shocking! #sarcasm
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@fabsh hehe maybe so but those on your own team *might* not be so happy.. don't get bent out of shape, just looking at it from outsider :)
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@felimwhiteley They are free to kick me off the team if they don't like it. I have a feeling I am not alone on this though...
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@fabsh preach it sir
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@fabsh hey not trying to single you out or anything I'm jsut saying looking at Fedora as somewhere to "go" after this is somewhat unclear
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@felimwhiteley I never said anybody should do that. Ubuntu is a great distribution and Canonical does good stuff. But criticism is good too.
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@fabsh I agree :) my point is the the perceived way this was done over past week was bad way IMO..looking fwd to new show sure its in it :)
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@felimwhiteley How else should it have been done? Dave's report was very considerate...
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@fabsh it wasn't the report it was more Gregs post, comments on it, folk denting. All seemed very "hah we've got them!" + added spitting ;)
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@felimwhiteley Well, I can understand that. Canonical has worked very hard to give the opposite opinion for years IMO.
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rt @fabsh: I don't care who I do a disservice. I say what I believe and you are free to do the same. That's my style.
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