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Wondering if I need to hire a plane to draw "OpenRespect is not an Ubuntu/Canonical project" in the sky
- Jeff Has Moved likes this.
- Sebastian and Tim W (Goblin) repeated this.
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@jonobacon wat!?! now Canonical is now using planes to advertise OpenRespect? ... Yeah I dont think that will help either :)
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@jonobacon I might not have a plane but I would be willing to assist with the project.
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@jonobacon pee from a hot air balloon onto snow, in letters big enough to be seen from space, it'd be an excuse to drink loadsa beer lol
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@jonobacon I sympathize, but I think it's inevitable confusion given the mix on your blog. Maybe update the post to say that :)
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@jonobacon, many ppl,including #Shuttleworth himself,have done this to me too: assumed I represented my employer on my personal blog. Sucks!
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@jonobacon,OTOH,I'd say you don't have it *too* bad until ppl start calling your employer demanding your firing for what is on your own blog
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@thistleweb @alpacaherder, won't help. In my experience, those "confusing" the issue do so on purpose in an attempt to attack you.
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@jonobacon: everything you create, even on your own time, will in the end be connected as a "canonical thing" :-)
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@jargon do you think this openrespect will drive a further wedge - if one was needed - between Ubuntu & the rest of the Linux community?
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@jonobacon sadly you know the outcome of that :( You'll have to go on EVERY blog and say this, followed by repetitive negativity in replies
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@jonobacon: I'm sure some zealot would yell for you taking a dump in the loo b/c they'd see it as Canonical crapping up the drinking water.
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@jargon Shaming people for pointing out one's mistakes isn't a Shuttleworth invention. It was popularized by one of our former Presidents.
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@jargon are they? As far as I can see, Ubuntu is a Linux-based distro. If it wasn't different from other distros it wouldn't exist.
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@jargon Some people are upset. You seem to be more upset than most. I don't see a problem with people designing stuff on Macs.
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@jargon what would they see? Wasn't the tribalism thing an attempt to bring the community together (perhaps misconceived)?
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Dammit, I'm going to boycott myself. I once wrote some code in Windows >:(
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@reality Self hatred in the name of FREEDOM!!!
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@gomerx Freedom Freedom Freedom (B)Oi(cott)
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@jargon How can Ubuntu not be a Linux-based distro? That doesn't make any sense at all :-(
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@jargon It isn't compulsory to eat your own dog food is it? Or is that a new rule from the Free Software Foundation?
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@jargon what is wrong with that? Why do you think they are doing it? Neckbeardism would put most normal people off Linux for sure.
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@davidmarsden apparently not, but it's for everyday use built by a worldwide community of friends.
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@reality 'a worldwide community of friends' - how condescending and self-gratifying is that?
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@jargon Then what? I'm an idiot? I'm trying to think past instantly declaring war because someone said we should be nice.
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@jargon I am not, never have and never will cry that no one 'in Linux' loves me anymore. It's just not that important to me.
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@jargon It's still a departure from the traditional "X is a GNU/Linux distribution." It's marketing, not evil.
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@jargon What hypocrisy? He said we should be respectful towards each other beyond ideology, has he ever been disrespectful to you?
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@jargon yes, I think it is. Not your perception, it seems, but are you saying everyone should think like you?
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@jargon Now you're sounding like lefty - I'm disappointed. Anyway, Jono isn't responsible for his boss' views on women.
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@jargon 'to create an easy-to-use Linux desktop... The vision for Ubuntu is part social and part economic: free software, etc.'
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@jargon it's the best tool for me that I've tried. And I've tried a whole bunch of other Linux distros.
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@jargon: isn't unity just a shell
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@jargon: I mean, I think it's stupid ubuntu not using gnome shell, but it's just the shell, gnome underlying will be there.
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@jargon I dunno. thing is, you're proving the point - people don't want to get involved with os 'cause there's always some bullshit argument
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@davidmarsden In fairness, not eating their own dogfood does suggest a lack of faith in Ubuntu, but it's not that big an issue.
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@jargon and yet they're the exact same people going on about ubuntu et al showing no respect
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@jargon well, if it doesn't work (many of the distros I tried wouldn't even boot) it's no use to me is it?
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@robmyers But is he a proprietary driver? ;p
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@psquid piloted by mice in swivel chairs
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@jargon I don't see anyone saying that they should not be criticised, but surely it's more helpful & community-spirited to be constructive?
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@psquid I mentioned elsewhere that my impression (could be wrong) is that the designers they used weren't familiar with Linux design tools.
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@psquid so it's not about any 'lack of faith'.
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@jargon I've read it. I didn't perceive him as being disrespectful. He's scratching his own itch. But clearly that upset you.
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Heading to Richmond, VA a bit early today, so that I can make the !Fedora Marketing meeting before speaking at !rvlug tonight.
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@jargon: until they abandon linux and start using hurd! :)
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@jargon My guess is that many people who didn't feel so strongly about it didn't feel the need to say anything.
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@davidmarsden he seems to spend his online life finding excuses to attack ubuntu / canonical, he is immune to logic or common sense
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Even though I disagree w/ charter of #OpenRespect, IMO, much of the commentary has been unfair to @jonobacon: My blog at http://ur1.ca/2d2h9
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@davidmarsden We've been over this before: http://dinosaur-os.com/post/571890674
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@thistleweb wait. What? Are you accusing me of using logic and common sense? Everything is relative, I suppose.
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@davidmarsden needs more communitization
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@jargon how can you possibly know I'm wrong if people who didn't feel so strongly didn't say anything? My guess is at least common sense.
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@bkuhn ROFL at "binary decision" BTW..... :D
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@bkuhn: Great blog. Good points!
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@jargon of course they are! How many people who didn't feel strongly either way didn't post anything? Sheesh.
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@jargon well, that's exactly my point. It's basic psychology that there will be many more who didn't post than did. Double sheesh.
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@fabsh, I cross-post my #Conservancy posts on my personal blog too. That doesn't mean blog isn't my opinion;just indicates 2 opinions align.
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@bkuhn Having a disclaimer doesn't make the disclaimer true...
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@bkuhn You see things too black-and-white. Do you believe this has *nothing* to do with his work?
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@fabsh Oh, I believe #OpenRespect was *clearly* inspired by @jonobacon's work. But I also don't think !Canonical asked him to do it, either
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@fabsh,most of my blog posts about software freedom are related to my day-to-day work too, but it doesn't make them my employer's opinions.
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@bkuhn: Great post. Love the irony in disagreeing with !OpenRespect.org in a respectful manner. :)
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@bkuhn I didn't say that..... ;)
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@bkuhn No. But you are a very special case......
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@bkuhn Oh I can do one better. Shuttleworth has assumed that I speak for a company that I've never been employed by.
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@mairin if you haven't noticed that yet, they're kidding. hence the context.
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@davidmarsden because it's totally the opposite of s/w freedom maybe?
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@osamak And?
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@davidmarsden software freedom is the goal of the fs community. Ubuntu does almost nothing to promote that goal.
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@osamak almost nothing? I'm sorry, but from my position of ignorance I think that is a simply ludicrous assertion.
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@davidmarsden to include,distribute & recommend non-free software and to lead new comers to ignore the whole social part's 'almost nothing'.
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@osamak using your logic Ubuntu users must be switching to Windows and Mac in their droves, but I use less proprietary sw than ever before.
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@davidmarsden if the only option we can have is either Windows or Ubuntu, maybe. Lucky us, it isn't the case.
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@osamak yes, we have a choice and it's great. Ubuntu chooses to do things its own way - why is this such a problem for people?
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@davidmarsden not all choices are equally moral.
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@osamak perhaps we should strap Shuttleworth on to a ducking stool. If he survives we can then burn him at a stake. If not, too bad.
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@jargon And how is *that* hypocrisy?
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@bkuhn Thanks for adding some reason and respect into the (sometimes exasperating) debate.
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@jargon I did, and what is obvious to me is that you are throwing accusations and not defending them.
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@jargon that's the way you answer many questions. You call someone a hypocrite, when asked why you change the subject. You are a troll.
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@jargon I'm staking a "DO NOT FEED THE TROLL" sign here. Justify your accusations or pipe down.
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@jonobacon I saw "Sam Varghese" and realised I didn't need to read any further.
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