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  1. davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Free Software Foundation

    we can use other languages, there is no need to C# !fsf !gnu !sflc

    Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:00:58 UTC from web
    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce GNU's Not Unix

      @davide89v yes, there are lots of needs for c#. developers, like myself, love it! it makes developing applications a breeze. beautiful. !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:03:34 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce I love c#, i use it by 3 years! but if I can use another language to develop my software it's better !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:11:12 UTC
    • Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce What may look beautiful and a breeze now, may become hard and not-so-pretty once you're sued. Hope you won't get sued in the end.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:11:34 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce however admit that language is a jewel !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:11:55 UTC
    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce GNU's Not Unix

      @davide89v why is it better? what technical advancements does another language give you that c# does not? !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:12:49 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce Personally am a fan of the rich class libs myself...

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:13:23 UTC
    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce Mark Clarke

      @mxc because #java has a lot of middleware applications, which most enterprises are developing. .net, however, hooks into the windows apis

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:21:56 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce other language offer the freedom, the power of C# is important but the freedom restricted by patents is a very problem !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:22:16 UTC
    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce Python , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch truth be told, i'm a !python developer. i prefer the libraries of #python over that of #mono, just for technical reasons

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:22:40 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch GNU's Not Unix

      @davide89v Please back your assertion: what/how is C# patented? It is patent-ineligible; it takes from many pre-existing languages. !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:25:43 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce To each their own. :) I'm not really a fan of non-staticly typed languages anymore...

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:26:56 UTC
    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce

      @davide89v mono has implemented #ecma standards from .net. these standards encourage adoption and use, not restrict it

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:27:21 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch the problem is not in C # but in the compiler used, some mono libraries are not free !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:28:23 UTC
    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch i can respect that. i enjoy a good dose of #c from time to time.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:29:04 UTC
    • Mark Clarke Mark Clarke Aaron Toponce

      @atoponce: thats the point. there are much more java devs than .net .net has failed to gain a foothold on the server.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:38:15 UTC
    • Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa GNU's Not Unix , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch Features taken from pre-existing languages are unpatentable. The new features, certainly are patented. http://ur1.ca/6gi1 !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 13:41:44 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch GNU's Not Unix , Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa

      @prosario2000 C# != BCL. Your assertion that C# is patented is not proved. A prog lang is not a process, not patentable. !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:10:12 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch GNU's Not Unix , Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa

      @prosario2000 What is patentable about a non-process like a programming language, hrm? Please (re?)read patent law. !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:17:29 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch

      @davide89v The license looks free to me. If the issue is of patents, please cite a patent number, else it is a non issue.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:29:58 UTC
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    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch GNU's Not Unix , Linux

      @davide89v After all, the !linux kernel, part of most !gnu systems, allegedly infringes 235 patents, why is it any safer? http://is.gd/1i6t0

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:31:13 UTC
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    • Aaron Toponce Aaron Toponce Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch let us not forget #samba with #openchange. i'm sure there are patents aplenty infringed there

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:32:50 UTC
    • Ricardo Salveti Ricardo Salveti Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch not so easy as it seems, because this is MS telling that !linux infringes 235 patents

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:41:21 UTC
    • Ricardo Salveti Ricardo Salveti Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch for !mono, for example, we already know that the base is covered by patents, because they decided to implement is as .net

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:42:28 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch Ricardo Salveti

      @rsalveti And? It is no diff. than “Mono is dangerous, it *MAY* be patented, don't use it.” It's fuzzy, vague, worthless.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:43:06 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch GNU's Not Unix , Ricardo Salveti

      @rsalveti No, the only way to know it is patented is to know the patent number, read the patent, look at law and case law. !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:43:50 UTC
    • Ricardo Salveti Ricardo Salveti GNU's Not Unix , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch but I guess it much more easier to prove that !mono is infringing patents than other !gnu software.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:44:58 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch Ricardo Salveti

      @rsalveti In the U.S., it is not patentable subject matter per current case law (see Bilski) anyway. Expect SCOTUS to confirm.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:45:00 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch Ricardo Salveti

      @rsalveti What proof? Show a patent number that is valid under current law that is the only possible proof; otherwise, it is speculation.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:46:38 UTC
    • Ricardo Salveti Ricardo Salveti Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch but no one told that is actually not speculation. That's why I *guess* it easier, as does !fsf.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:49:02 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch Ricardo Salveti

      @rsalveti Without a valid patent number, it *is* speculation. There's no grey area; there is proof of an assertion, or a baseless assertion.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 14:51:32 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch Linux infringes many patents, it does not mean that we must continue to produce software with patented shares, is a weakness !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:16:15 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v

      la discussione nel gruppo gnu riguardo C# si fa calda

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:16:46 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch GNU's Not Unix

      @davide89v Any sufficiently non-trivial software is likely to violate a patent in a country with bad law. !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:18:14 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch then? microsoft is acting as frahunofer thompson has done with mp3. The format was patented and no one knew anything !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:47:31 UTC
    • davide89v davide89v GNU's Not Unix , Michael B. Trausch

      @mtrausch they waited to be spread and when the mp3 was used by anyone BUM! The format was patented !gnu

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:49:29 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch

      @davide89v And? A runtime can be implemented in different ways, compared with an algo, evasion is possible where s/w patents are valid.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:50:37 UTC
    • Michael B. Trausch Michael B. Trausch

      @davide89v And we started using Ogg as a way around that, didn't we? US now holds algos as "akin to laws of nature", so not patentable.

      Monday, 29-Jun-09 15:51:59 UTC

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