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RT @lxoliva: "[...]a Free license is neither necessary nor sufficient for a program to be Free" <what happened to 4 freedoms definition?
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@tzk nothing happened to it. it says nothing about licenses, but rather about freedoms
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@tzk say, if the copyright over a work expired, copyright doesn't take away your freedoms by default: you don't need any license
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@tzk say, even if a a program is under a Free license, if you're denied access to sources, you lose essential freedoms
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@lxoliva yes, i agree with that, but not with tagging as "bad" software like Firefox or Thunderbird, since you can read source code.
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@tzk aah, I see. yeah, that's a different line. those *are* Free Software, even though at least Firefox is also Free Bait
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@tzk in that it induces users to install non-Free Software, such as non-Free plugins
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@tzk if I were to create a package to warn about these programs, I'd probably name it freed-ora-fsdg or so, but it's not in my roadmap
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@lxoliva may be, but i really care about the licenses of plugins and i don't use non-free-plugins. But the main app stills free.
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@tzk right. Free Bait is most dangerous for those who can't see the hook ;-)
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@tzk well, that's yet another dimension of freedom. mono is a different kind of trap. it's Free, but it invites into a patent trap
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@tzk I'd rather not promote the confusion that patents render software non-Free
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@tzk but I wouldn't mind if distros offered meta-packages that conflicted with potentially undesirable components
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@lxoliva yes, but based on some experiences, i think education works better than locks because it works even without engagement of packagers
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@lxoliva do you mean, packages than could help fedora users to avoid completely non-free software? It would be a great tool!
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@tzk yeah. like, fedora itself could supply something along the lines of freed-ora-freedom, that conflicted with firmware (and kernel)
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@tzk and also a mono-trap-free package that conflicted with the base mono packages, and so on
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@lxoliva there was a package for ubuntu called "monononono" :D for avoiding, even removing yet installed, mono crap.
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