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#Mono proponents have one thing in common: they attack me personally and attack !techrights , but not the posts, which are factually correct
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@schestowitz makes me so mad. community need to be warned about this behavior to shun #mono proponents
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@schestowitz In TR's site ??? Or via Twitter, OMGbuntu and alike ?
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Easy answer, @schestowitz because it is impossible to keep up with your fire hose of mutating lies
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@agentsmith I'd rather not provide pointers, for obvious reasons
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@migueldeicaza You claim "lies", but you don't highlight any lies. It's just a "dog whistle" tactic, Miguel. Be specific, be precise.
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@schestowitz So you have this habit of linking to your own (highly speculative) articles as though they were proven facts.
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@schestowitz It's like the "echo chamber" effect on political blogs, but you're doing it all by yourself, which a bit creepy, frankly
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@schestowitz If you are no longer able to tell apart your imaginary facts from reality, you need to get treated.
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@migueldeicaza can you really prove he is wrong or are you just trolling in revenge?
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@danto It takes all of 2 minutes to find a dozen lies in his articles. Not rocket science.
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@migueldeicaza @danto How about quoting Schestowitz's lies?
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@migueldeicaza and there you go again proving my point. Sweeping statements, personal attacks, ad infinitum...
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@migueldeicaza some of his thoughs are just founded in historical (documented) facts about some big company's lies. also not rocket science.
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@migueldeicaza so, two minutes are up. Show me 1 lie.
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@migueldeicaza I did "choke on" the link you posted to me on Twitter because it was a mess of confused rambling. Clear Facts please.
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@laurelrusswurm can you post the link?
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@laurelrusswurm Ah yes I have come across verofakto before, it limps along.
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@satipera As a lowly user I can't follow a lot but it certainly appears to be a garbled mess of accusations rather than fact.
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@laurelrusswurm I too am a lowly non techie user. It does not matter. The important thing is we support software freedom and use our nouse
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@laurelrusswurm @schestoitz claims @hub was bullied by @migueldeicaza. @hub claims he was bullied by @schestowitz
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@laurelrusswurm I also suggest you see tweets by @jonobacon and @popey regarding @schestowitz in the past week or so
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@laurelrusswurm specifically, I suggest you read @popey's comments from this thread: http://identi.ca/conversation/59605986#notice-60249351
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@rclayton I never claimed I was bullied by schestowitz. I just said that *IF* I had been bullied, it was likely by schestowitz.
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@hub ah, sorry, my misinterpretation. my point is, you were never bullied by @migueldeicaza over gnote.
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@laurelrusswurm @schestowitz also made personal attacks against a !canonical employee that goes by DBO, simply because he used #mono
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@rclayton I don't know any of these people with the exception of @schestowitz, whom I have only ever seen to behave honorably
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@laurelrusswurm is accusing @migueldeicaza of bully @hub "honorable"? I think not.
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@laurelrusswurm is making personal attacks against a !canonical employee simply because he used #mono "honorable"? I think not.
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@laurelrusswurm they are lying, I didn't make this claim, he was merely discouraged
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@themadhatter funny how you failed to provide @hub's comments in your blog post. There you go rewriting history again.
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@rclayton until today someone who has dented 3 times in months starts to attack @schestowitz and accuse him of lies w/o support
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@laurelrusswurm lefty, clayton and miguel are like the anti techrights 3 amigos
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@themadhatter I have also never had a twitter account, so that person is not me.
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@themadhatter nice attempt at a smear job, though. Too bad it is so transparent.
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@rclayton anyone can accuse anyone of anything. What @migueldeicaza presented as proof was not... evidence of politics/disagreement
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@schestowitz O RLY? That's not how DBO felt. Perhaps @jonobacon, @popey or @mdz can bring @DBO over to this discussion and we can ask him.
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@rclayton I am not a judge, nor do I wish to spend my life sifting through what sounds like baseless accusations.
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@rclayton Why not instead go out and try to do some good.
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@laurelrusswurm oh, so now that the facts have been presented, you suddenly "can't judge". You had no problems judging miguel a minute ago.
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@laurelrusswurm why doesn't @schestowitz go out and do something producting instead of slinging mud at #mono?
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@laurelrusswurm yes, you're talking to some apparent sockpuppet that tries to incite people against me. Just ignore.
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@laurelrusswurm @schestowitz started this mess by slinging baseless accusations
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@rclayton I attempted to read what he gave me but it was a mess of gibberish. Why should I read more when you have just told me you...
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@rclayton ...are trying to smear the character of a man I think is good.
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@schestowitz I see what you write.
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@satipera Yes, I'm getting that. I really don't like bullying.
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@laurelrusswurm yea, because good people typically go around bad mouthing other people's Free Software projects on a daily basis, right?
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@rclayton I may not be particularly tech savvy but I *am* people savvy, and your behaviour is nothing short of meanspirited
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@laurelrusswurm yea, because what @schestowitz did to @DBO and dozens of other #mono developers wasn't "meanspirited"
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@laurelrusswurm what @schestowitz has done to @DBO is bullying, but you seem perfectly ok with his behavior.
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@rclayton what i've seen over more than a year of reading @schestowitz's dents has not been, yet i'm supposed to believe you over evidence?
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@laurelrusswurm ask @popey (I think he knows @DBO), he'll back up everything I've said.
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@rclayton i have already listened but not been convinced; i don't know you/@popey/@DBO), yet you try to bully me. Sorry, no sale
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@laurelrusswurm so you refuse to get the facts from the people involved?
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@laurelrusswurm you judge @migueldeicaza as guilty without knowing any facts at all. When given the facts, you hide your head in the sand.
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@rclayton @migueldeicaza specifically accused "It takes all of 2 minutes to find a dozen lies." then presented opinion as proof.
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@rclayton Any you continue to try to bully me. Guess what: that doesn't work.
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@laurelrusswurm if you were tech savvy, you could find plenty of half-truths and misinformation in @schestowitz's articles on #mono
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@laurelrusswurm you attacked first, and now accuse *me* of bullying? More like you've lost the argument and now try to play victim
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@rclayton I don't believe that. Your friend had the chance to show 1 and he did not. That speaks to his credibility (or lack thereof)
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@laurelrusswurm also that webpage was hardly "opinion", it was a timeline of evidence. Maybe you should actually read it.
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@rclayton I attacked? I was minding my own business when an accusation was levelled at someone who I see doing a lot of good.
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@laurelrusswurm at which point you attacked someone you knew nothing about.
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@rclayton I am a writer. I know well that anyone can write anything. The way you are behaving, the way you are arguing speaks volumes.
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@laurelrusswurm he shouldn't need to, it is obvious to anyone who tries to verify @schestowitz's claims about #mono
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@laurelrusswurm the way you hide your head in the sand speaks louder
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@rclayton I asked for proof, and did not get it. Certainly not in that webpage.
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@laurelrusswurm have it your way, I'm done talking to someone who obvious has no interest in reality
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@rclayton I asked your friend to back up his claim: show me 1 lie on any page. He did not. This is not attack.
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@rclayton yay!
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sorry @reality, I'm sure that guy didn't mean you.
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@rclayton You're kidding, you're attacking @themadhatter too? 2 for 2. Oy.
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@laurelrusswurm Or did he.
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@laurelrusswurm Here is a smear job based on innuendo and lies on Florian Muller: https://gist.github.com/0f03bb56c98491c8b38b
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@schestowitz For those interested, here is how DBO felt in his own words: http://is.gd/iOxkj
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@hub Curiously I'm working on an article about the death of Mono right now. Thanks for the nudge.
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@rclayton Ah, you'll love the next one then :)
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@ender2070 not so sure I'd blame it on #gnu, some people just like to smear @migueldeicaza because he's not rabid like they are.
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@ender2070 nothing wrong with the free software ideals unless taken to the extreme (e.g. "non-believers are the enemy")
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@ender2070 the problem with @schestowitz and co is they don't respect @miguel's views and so attempt to smear him and other #mono developers
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@ender2070 ironically, the very people @schestowitz smears are the people who have helped make Linux as popular as it is today
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@ender2070 @schestowitz claims these same people try to harm/destroy Linux. Total bullshit. They all do more to promote Linux than he does.
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@themadhatter that was calling for a reply?
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@laurelrusswurm they were bullying me few days ago
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@laurelrusswurm @migueldeicaza is a M$ shill
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@laurelrusswurm we can spread the word about their behavior, so people reject them and their #mono crapware
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@azuthian No. That would be doing what they tried. Pointless anyway.
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@laurelrusswurm ppl need to lern the truth about #mono pushers and what they do to bully anyone that doesn't want to use it
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@azuthian what, by going around and bullying them? No. I have a life that is increasingly behind.
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@laurelrusswurm no, not bullying them. exposing them
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@laurelrusswurm that's why they go after @schestowitz, because he exposes them
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@laurelrusswurm the truth hurts them
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@azuthian In the 1st place I can't expose them, as I have never/never will use mono. I did what I could, I called the guy on BS.
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@azuthian Because I consider @schestowitz an honourable & good man, who I have *never* seen lie, I challenged on personal behaviour.
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@laurelrusswurm it is ok, I mean others like me and @schestowitz can expose them
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@laurelrusswurm yes, he doesn't lie. @schestowitz is fighting against ppl like @migueldeicaza who are enemies of #floss
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@azuthian I did that, they are gone away and now I'm finished.
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@laurelrusswurm it is about #swpats and @migueldeicaza is M$ shill. @schestowitz has proof
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@azuthian: give me evidence that I have lied to defend Mono - how about hard evidence instead of throwing around baseless accusations?
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@schestowitz I pointed out _numerous_ lies and misstatements in the commentary I left on your site. So you banned me.
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@themadhatter Wayne, I pointed out plenty. Google "Jimmi Hugh" and tell me what the second link is, hm?
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@laurelrusswurm Google "Jimmi Hugh" and tell me what the second link is, Laurel.
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@rclayton Funny how that works, isn't it?
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@satipera If you don't like having me here, why do you persist in invoking me? You're not really terribly bright, are you?
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@lefty I see it. (for those who don't know what's going on see http://bit.ly/edjO7q ).
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@themadhatter A clear, flat-out lie, and yet—even with @schestowitz's non-"correction"—it's still right up there at the top of the list. =/
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@lefty So he isn't perfect. Are you? I know I'm not. But when I make a mistake, I work harder after.
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@themadhatter You asked to be shown a lie. @schestowitz, rather than remove it, has left his libels to be crawled for Google in perpetuity.
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@themadhatter If I were to wrongly defame someone, I would apologize, not leave the defamation standing. Strikethrough? Seriously?
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@lefty If I write something, the only corrections I make to the text are spelling/grammatical. I do add notes though, if there's a problem.
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@lefty Unlike some people I could name, (a canadian lawyer) who re-writes his posts, and claims that there were no changes.
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@lefty @Schestowitz is more accurate than most. Take Mary-Jo Foley. Check http://zd.net/gH0CQI - her numbers come out of nowhere.
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@lefty When I pointed that out, the article was never updated. You can read my article here: http://bit.ly/fMNXPP
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@themadhatter You don't get to do wrong because someone else does, Wayne. What @schestowitz has there is clearly libelous, in my view.
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@lefty Maybe it is libelious. I don't know British libel law. It would get tossed out of court here though.
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@jonobacon you excuse @migueldeicaza and trolls for lying and bullying. see how @migueldeicaza tries to smear @schestowitz in this thread
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@jonobacon if you aren't a #mono apologist, then proof it by agreeing @migueldeicaza is liar
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@jonobacon you have all the proof you need
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@themadhatter We started out at "is it a lie", Wayne. Can we agree that, as it currently stands, it is...?
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@schestowitz No, they're not. Unity isn't written in Vala, for starts. Planning on correcting that misstatement of fact?
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@azuthian Good. Let's make limits on what people can work on and use, in the name of "freedom".
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@migueldeicaza I pointed out some specific lies. No response from #BoycottBoy @schestowitz, unsurprisingly.
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@lefty What is a lie? Be specific. Warning - I am writing an article.
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@schestowitz Everyone who disagrees with you is either a sockpuppet or a shill. Isn't that peculiar?
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@migueldeicaza She got real quiet all of a sudden, hm? Go figure.
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@azuthian Maybe you should write to Julian Assange about this Pressing Issue.
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@azuthian For infinitesimally small values of "proof", perhaps.
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