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Want Adobe Photoshop on Linux? You can do your bit to persuade Adobe: http://is.gd/iNF39 #photoshop #linux #ubuntu
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@jonobacon How about we spend our time improving GIMP instead, since it's actually, you know, open source?
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@x1101 I agree that I would much rather get people to use GIMP, but some people are so stubborn...
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@jargon You make me laugh :-)
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@jargon you fail to comprehend that gimp/inkscape is not photoshop/illustrator. those are different tools for different purposes
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@jonobacon: why, is Adobe freeing Photoshop?
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@jonobacon Let's spend effort making the gimp and other alternatives better instead of pushing for proprietary crap.
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@jonobacon Come on Jono - surely lobbying Adobe to bring closed-source software to Linux isn't a good thing to encourage is it?
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@panicking5kywalker you can hire programmers for anything given enough money. I'm not sure what this has to do with the current context
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@sirpengi I was just asking if you thought it would be an astronomical cost that gimp/inkscape would never do.
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@panicking5kywalker I doubt if they'd even want to. to me it's doesn't seem to be a matter of costs but a matter of different use-case.
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@sirpengi what's the different uses that makes adobe all the rage but not desireable to free software users?
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@nigeldgreen: I disagree - if people have to use Photoshop, I would prefer them to use Linux under it rather than Windows/Mac
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@mirsal: I am not stopping anyone from doing that - the effort to port Photoshop to Linux would be on Adobe's part.
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@jonobacon I kinda agree. There are many people I cannot convince to use the Gimp, but if Photoshop ran on linux, they probably would use it
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@x1101 totally agree, I would always prefer to see GIMP used rather than Photoshop, but some folks are mandated to use Photoshop at work.
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@jargon indeed, there is frankly, no end to my bullshit...
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@jonobacon people don't have to use photoshop. it's a choice. a choice to use proprietary software or free software.
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@rrix well, possibly, but many designers need to use it as part of corporate policy, and this could be an opportunity to get Linux in there.
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@rrix totally, but it's not all or nothing - Photoshop+Linux is better than Photoshop+Win/Mac - Photoshop on Linux would open up opportunity
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@jonobacon I find that it's more productive to get people using FOSS applications before a FOSS os. c.f. OOo on Windows, kde4win, etc
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@jonobacon a free kernel doesnt matter if a user is still locked in to a closed and proprietary userland.
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@jonobacon so, of course it's not all or nothing, it's just that I think we're focusing on the less important of the "something"-- the OS
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@rrix agreed, but the reality is GIMP can't do what some PS peeps need, so if we can't move them from PS->GIMP, at least get them on Linux.
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@jonobacon and that's the crux of what i'm trying to say: what if, instead of trying to get photoshop to do what gimp can do (run on linux)
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Adobe to port Photoshop to Linux? Dream on ;-)
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@rrix agreed. People still think OO.o isn't as good as MS Office. Lies I tell you!
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@rrix (1/2) agree, but this can happen in parallel - encourage GIMP devs to bring it up to feature parity, while also encouraging Adobe to..
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@rrix (2/2) release PS for Linux. We then get folks to run PS on Linux and get them using other FLOSS software, and eventually use the GIMP.
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@jonobacon as in what? GIMP is awesome. Combine it with Inkscape and you're set.
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@christpunk01 ooo misses out on some tjhings corporate folks need, still, vba support is one. But indeed, you're right.
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@jonobacon: at work they 'had' to have photoshop. GIMP would have worked but 'everyone' knows photoshop apparently.
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@jonobacon Agreed. We just need a bit more of the former, imo :) if i was a gtk guy, i think I'd work on was gimp exclusively... maybe krita
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@jonobacon content creation is one of the things FOSS could be most successful at if we actually tried to. we have the features, we just ...
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@jonobacon I know plenty of designers & photographers; never heard of such a "corporate policy" #NamesorItDidntHappen
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@carlg it's specialized? last I checked you can do anythign remoately related to raster images in it (cs3 days in High School)
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@kevie deactivation is the only option. Will gladly wait.
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@nigeldgreen I have not used Photoshop on Win/Mac and will not on Linux, but fail to see why it would be bad to have it on Linux.
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@jwildeboer did you follow the steps in the link, otherwise facebook will keep your info
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@kevie I thought you couldn't really pull the plug?
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@laurelrusswurm that's the only way to be completely removed from facebook, deactivating your account only removes it from the public view..
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@kevie thx for info. Just deleted my FB account following your instructions. 14 days are starting NOW.
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@laurelrusswurm all the info is still there
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@jwildeboer no problem, glad to help another user to delete their facebook account :)
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@kevie That's the part I don't like. Leaving so long as FB exists they have the power of resurrecting your facebook account... a Zombie
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@n8 Every company I have worked for as a designer uses Adobe Creative Suite. It is the accepted industry standard.
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@duanedesign it may be the most common, but no one I know has ever been instructed other tools are OFF limits. de facto standard != "policy"
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@duanedesign in contrast, many design firms I know dictate a DAM system.
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@jonobacon thanks jono for posting this. Nice to see someone thinking about the big picture.
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@jargon The agression is uncalled for. Do you also berate people for porting GIMP to Windows? This is a complementary approach to that.
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@jargon If you have ever worked for a corporation with an IT department, then you should know that such policies exist for all kinds of sw.
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@lnxwalt280 Your argument relies on the assumption that IT policies need to make sense, and is therefore invalid. :-)
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@jargon KTHXBYE
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@jargon Name that fallacy.
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@jargon Because I see a good deal of abusive ad hominem.
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@jargon That is also ad hominem. Before you go calling fallacies, do have them ready. Please. Good night.
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@jonobacon I (kind of) see your point, but think a better way to promote Linux is to promote the excellent FLOSS tools available.
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@duanedesign @jonobacon Can we agree that "get the software you want on Linux!" is the small picture cf. actual big picture of "freedom"?
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@ovidius I think it undermines the central ideas of software freedom to encourage proprietary software on Linux.
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@ovidius ...particularly when mature and powerful FLOSS alternatives exist.
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@nigeldgreen IMHO If someone really needs it for something. Why not? I guess I am more pragmatic. Although the lock-in problem is real :-(
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@jargon look, I don't run !ubuntu and I'm happy to call @jonobacon when I disagree and have, but your behavior is childish and #disturbing
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more on why "Photoshop users want to use Linux" is #crap: http://ur1.ca/2lptc #140characterswasntenough
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@ovidius I just think its a shame that Adobe may mop up funds that could (with education) be made available for FLOSS dev work.
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@nigeldgreen Yeah. Full ack. CS is incredibly expensive, you can get a complete computer and still donate quite a bit for the money.
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@nigeldgreen BTW why do I always here the education argument? Normal folks don't know how to do Photoshop either, do they?
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@ovidius I mean education more in terms of awareness than product usage. Although, good docs and tutorials _would_ give FLOSS tools an edge.
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