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Instead of open core licensing as promoted by Matt Asay, I would call (and live) it open standards based. Is more to the point IMHO.
Friday, 03-Jul-09 17:43:26 UTC from xmpp-
@jwildeboer Not necessarily.There are numerous instances where proprietary,closed-standard products still create significant dev communities
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@jwildeboer You and I may not like it (and I dont), but its a fact, not wishful thinking
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@mjasay there is a difference between de-facto and open standards and I think it is important to fight for more of the latter.
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@mjasay and no problem with making an industry standard an open one. Lower entry barriers is the goal.
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@mjasay note - I do not really care if the implementation is open source or not. Over time, Open Source will always win.
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@mjasay but only if they cannot lock devs in with IPR and stuff.
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@jwildeboer We agree. Im all for open standards and open source. Just clarifying that markets sometimes believe differently
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@mjasay thats why we need more Shadowmen ;-)
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@jwildeboer btw, I never advocate open core b/c I like it...its what works after spending 10 yrs trying other things
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@jwildeboer But the RHT model doesnt work in apps once you reach a certain scale
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@jwildeboer heard about the LSE Fact? It would be funny if NYSE could get a nice follow-up, no? :)
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@mairin: there are so many ways I can imagine @jwildeboer to be :)
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jwildeboer: well, I was trying to imagine what @mairin thought, and found that I am totally lost in possibilities. :)
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jwildeboer: so no, there isn't a conspiracy behind your back, I have no clue what @mairin meant
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@mairin I prefer Shadowman and Catwoman ;-) or would you rather go for Poison Ivy? /me ducks and hides.
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@mairin I tend to fail at PC, in case havent noticed ;-)
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@mairin I guess well have to try at next FUDCon ;-) ROTFL.
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@mairin: not sure about holes, but http://is.gd/1mBVq, http://is.gd/1mBYh, http://is.gd/1mBZP, http://is.gd/1mC92,...
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@mairin: .... http://is.gd/1mCao are not that bad. :) Depends on your taste.
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@mjasay IMHO apps are too fat nowadays, effectively they contain a lot that can be made a library shared with other apps.
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@mjasay and thats where open standards are important. Unless app providers are unwilling to cooperate, ofcourse ;-)
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@mjasay and that is where Red Hat can help - see AMQP. IMHO we should do more of that - create/foster open standards.
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@jgehlbach Never been called a troll before but wow! Thanks for caring. I guess my def of troll...
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@jgehlbach...differs from yours. Im trying to add to a conversation, youre name calling. Whos the troll?
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@mjasay genuinely glad you're here and exercising your right to speak. i'll be exercising my right to ignore now.
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@mjasay sorry, bias for software freedom and sovereignity a goverment must have. This is not just about companies or development models.
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Red Hat: From manic acquisitions to focused execution - http://bit.ly/1396oP nice reminder of Red Hat's history from @mjasay #redhat
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RT @mjasay: US Postal Service moves from proprietary UNIX 2 SUSE Linux 4 its tracking system: http://bit.ly/HVEct
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@jzb haven't the US postal service use linux for ages ?
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RT @mjasay: US Postal Service moves from proprietary UNIX to SUSE Linux for its tracking system: http://bit.ly/HVEct
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Open core about giving customers reason to buy, not lock-in, as NIN's Trent Reznor explains (Via @mjasay) http://bit.ly/fC5bn
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♺ @jzb: If I had one wish, it'd be that people would work a bit harder on getting along.
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RT @mjasay RT @compoundmedia: How the French government leads the way in open source http://bit.ly/NPuuS >>well-written interview
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How the French government leads the way in open source. http://bit.ly/NPuuS (Via @mjasay, @compoundmedia tt)
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@mjasay on Apache and the future of open-source licensing http://bit.ly/iHLXi
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Intel was second largest contributor to Linux in 08, just behind Red Hat. http://bit.ly/G8thW (Via @mjasay tt)
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RT @mjasay "The gpl... is thus the...equivalent of DRM" http://bit.ly/3rwvhD Sigh; not true: it imposes *1* condition - http://bit.ly/N1f63
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@glynmoody wow that gpl=drm & protect content instead of software post is so broken!
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@robmyers I know: I'll probably write something about this soon; the content bit's OK...
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@glynmoody I look forward to reading that. yes protecting content is good just not at the expense of software its accessed with (&vice versa
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@robmyers oh, I'd better think of something to write, then...
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dumb article complaining about GPL, blog.b3k.us/totally_FLOSSed_out.html
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Matt Asay notes that the right business strategy is openness, but defining that strategy is variegated: http://bit.ly/ZR5ds (Via @mjasay tt)
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RT @mjasay Microsoft embraces the GPL, opens Hyper-V to Linux with LinuxIC. ... http://bit.ly/jKTjy >>interesting #gpl #microsoft
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“I'm giving [Microsoft] its divorce papers,” says City of Edmonton CIO. Considering move to open source. http://bit.ly/1yByN (Via @mjasay)
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NASA takes open source into space with some really cool projects. http://bit.ly/rwgmI (RT @mjasay tt)
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I emphatically disagree with @mjasay's assertion that Identi.ca is "less open" simply because its dev community is smaller: http://u.nu/3rvm
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@segphault open is one of those words like faith and fresh that has lost all meaning in English.
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@segphault no kidding! That would imply a correlation between first mover and openness. Pure nuttiness.
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@segphault open is trendy, and its being appropriated to mean considerably different things than originally intended
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@segphault its too bad that the media doesnt check this behavior
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@segphault I think O'Reilly asserted that... and while that one point may be somewhat skewed, he does make a very good point about freedom.
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Matt Asay reflects on commercial open source's awkward teenage years. http://bit.ly/oaROR (Via @mjasay)
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Commercial open source's awkward teen years - http://bit.ly/H82so perceptive post by @mjasay, who actually *lives* this stuff in his dayjob
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@glynmoody Lots of unstated assumptions in that article: big one is that software should be a product you can build a corporation around.
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Roberto Galoppini (@galoppini) interview shows how Apache Incubator program is boosting OSS. http://bit.ly/IcwdD (Via @mjasay)
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Matt Asay reports on why Mozilla's nonprofit nature is more blessing than curse. http://bit.ly/1aofb7 (Via @mjasay)
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RT @mjasay: "Novell makes Linux easy with SUSE Studio, raising the bar for both proprietary and OSS development: http://bit.ly/gyYmC"
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Matt Asay argues that open source may be your only ticket out of the cloud. http://bit.ly/h9Uiw (Via @mjasay)
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RT @mjasay "SharePoint is saving MS’s Office business even as it paves the way for a new era of Microsoft lock-in" http://bit.ly/4rCdAD yup
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RT @mjasay "SharePoint is saving MS’s Office business even as it paves the way for a new era of Microsoft lock-in" http://bit.ly/4rCdAD
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Matt Asay parses Gartner's view on Oracle Enterprise Linux and the potential impact on Red Hat. http://bit.ly/FLnsx (Via @mjasay)
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RT @mjasay: Red Hat’s status as the only pure-play publicly held OSS company is a troubling fact for the OSS industry http://bit.ly/1mguQI
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Matt Asay notes that SpringSource is the first big acquisition of a company based on an Apache license. http://bit.ly/1jgLxh (Via @mjasay)
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RT @caostheory: Matt Asay notes that SpringSource is the first big acquisition of a company based on an Apache license. http://bit.ly/1jgLxh
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RT @mjasay It's one thing to *use* open source, but US Dept of Defense is teaching others how to open source http://bit.ly/2WuRUY >>cool
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RT @mjasay: It's one thing to *use* open source, but now the US DoD is actually teaching others how to open source, too http://bit.ly/2WuRUY
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RT @mjasay: Even at rich multiples, open-source M&A has paid big dividends http://bit.ly/23y3iy
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RT @mjasay: Red Hat CEO: OSS dev is great and ..., but more of [our] comes fr our OSS biz model than from the dev mdl http://bit.ly/d6baO
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RT @mjasay: Red Hat CEO: OSS dev is great and ..., but more of [our] comes fr our OSS biz model than from the dev mdl http://bit.ly/d6baO
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I really do like the thought-provoking posts of @mjasay - like this: http://bit.ly/AQsxM #opensource #enterprise
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♺ @glynmoody: Mike Masnick's Intellectual Monopoly Miscellany - http://bit.ly/9SFek a great reading list - and not just because Rebel Code..
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@mjasay what is your real plan? And why do you care about promoting rumours?
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@mjasay if the real pan is world domination of Open Source, we agree ;-)
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RT @mjasay: Open source: More than just a cheap date, it's becoming more about IT flexibility than cost containment: http://bit.ly/3dzd9C
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@mjasay how much Linux revenue at NOVL was NOT from Microsoft vouchers?
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RT @mjasay: Microsoft releases open source Bing SDK http://bit.ly/INa5y - Either the end is near or OSS is now simply essential furniture
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@mjasay in order to reach balance, you need opposite poles. That's why Free Software matters even more IMHO.
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