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@fabsh, @dazfuller, @kevie, @rpcutts But have you seen its icon and layout. It might function properly but...
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@chrisbuchholz mustard with a mustard icon? made sense to me :)
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@chrisbuchholz personally I quite like it, certainly works better than the status.net client
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@chrisbuchholz seen it? I use it frequently, most of my dents are from !mustard you can change the layout in a number of ways
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@chrisbuchholz I have, I use it daily and it rocks. I do however switch the theme in the settings to classic.
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@chrisbuchholz so if you could do things differently what would you do?
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@kevie Im gonna give it another shot, but i dont think i'll ever like the layout :p
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@dazfuller start by getting a designer on the theme, hehe :) nah, i would simply make things more aligned and not so cluttered
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@chrisbuchholz @dazfuller they both suck meatballs. Just go for seesmic.
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@onedot okay, downloading it now, lousy connection though so this might be a while!
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@chrisbuchholz I don't use the default theme. I have the W/B Theme with all the optons below it unticked, it gives it a nice simply layout
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@chrisbuchholz @onedot downloaded but I'll have to try it in a bit, initially it looks quite nice though :D
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@dazfuller +1 for Seesmic :)
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@chrisbuchholz I designed a new icon for it a while ago but it never got used. I agree the design is suboptimal.
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@chrisbuchholz But you asked for a *good* app and it is good. If you want expensive and shiny, get an iPhone. They have lots of that...
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@dazfuller you can follow this guide to set it up: http://bit.ly/ge5dvN
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@chrisbuchholz great, thanks for that :)
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@chrisbuchholz I never said that. I am working hard on good UI design myself: http://outl.ws/fzhzSR -- nonetheless it's a very good app.
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@chrisbuchholz I use !mustard every day and it's much better than many other shiny looking microblogging clients.
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@fabsh Have you tried Seesmic? Feels better to manouvre than Mustard. Only problem is that its not open source...
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@chrisbuchholz Seesmic is slow, IMO ugly and way too Twitter-centric for me.
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@chrisbuchholz And yes, I've tried ALL Twitter/Status.net clients available on Android. I see that as my responsibility as top denter.... ;)
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@lolosailing There are several Twitter clients for Android that support Status.net but !mustard is the only native one, I believe...
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@lolosailing twidroyd (not opensource) does support statusnet/identi.ca on !android, but no groups support :(
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@fabsh oh yeah - twitter-centric, yes. But not any slower than mustard ... to me, anyways :)
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@chrisbuchholz It is, believe me, I've tried. The UI is horribly laggy sometimes and when Twitter is down...
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@chrisbuchholz ...it blocks you pulling stuff from identica for no reason at all.
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@fabsh I use mustard. it occasionally gets confused when you have two accounts and lose data connection
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@fabsh but mustard is my preferred client :)
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@kevan Yeah, that happens. I currently don't use it with Twitter...
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@fabsh different clients for each?
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@rowi oO' /me didn't find any official status client ? Any link ?
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@kevan I don't really read Twitter anymore. Most of the people I really care about are on identica too, I've discovered...
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@kevan I tend to get a lot of annoying or stupid bullshit replies from Twitter. Identica is a much nicer and smarter community.
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@fabsh people I know who live local to me use twitter, for tech I use Identica
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@fabsh @chrisbuchholz It's useless for Identica, but Tweetdeck's layout is good and consistent across systems too. I think their UI is good
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@fabsh @chrisbuchholz I do veer around though, cos I really think all these apps have their strengths, even Gwibber :)
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@silner The Tweetdeck UI is horrible on the phone. Does not translate well at all, it's a piece of junk. Seesmic is better...
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@kevan I'm not afraid to cut people off, that's why I quit Facebook too. If you want to talk to me, you need to come here. Sorry.
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@silner Gwibber never works and the current UI wastes so much screen real estate, I don't even have space for it on my new 24" monitor.
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@lolosailing: they called it "StatusNet Mobile" without the dot. A bit confusing. http://is.gd/8CiqcF
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@rowi thanks, I found it. Now, lets try it…
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@fabsh Yeah that is a real problem with Gwibber. I used to rely on it as reply notifier, but pino does that better now
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@fabsh It also has the same system hogging faults as Gwibber, though not quite as bad. I like the Chrome app a lot though, quite different
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@fabsh That worries me. Chrome/Chromium is getting a lot of exclusive extensions lately. I use at least 4 that have no FF versions :(
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@silner What extension are you talking about?
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@fabsh ah, that doesnt sound very usable. I need to investigate this. If just mustard got a designer on their team...
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@chrisbuchholz The "team" is basically @macno. I offered my help with design but we somehow never got around to it.
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@lolosailing: it works but needs a lot of ressources, too much for my I7500 Galaxy. I'm using Twidroyd
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@fabsh They may just be behind, coming soon as they say but...
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@fabsh sooner or later I'll knock on your door.. you know..
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@fabsh i just shit canned my facebook too. Good riddance
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@chrisbuchholz He added Twitter support recently because a lot of people demanded it. You aren't the only user of the app... ;)
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@macno I am not complaining. You know I'm really busy ATM. ;)
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@fabsh @chrisbuchholz I must admit Twitter support is very useful for me and its addition might make me look at using it
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@chrisbuchholz Well, and just because one user thinks it's a bad idea doesn't mean it is. Making it an option was good IMO. @macno
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@silner better to leave twitter now for good, than use it for the next couple of years and waste your time on it until it dies out.
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@fabsh Im just saying, you gotta target your product. You cant support both twitter and statusnet. You gotta choose... >
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@kevan ew no. why would you want to have to check more than 1 app?
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@chrisbuchholz I use Mustard to post and read. I don't find it hard to 'manoeuvre'. Your comments are insulting & patronising to @macno IMHO
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@fabsh <... else your app is just as bad as all the others that does lots but nothing really well.
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@chrisbuchholz He does? I find most of his software terribly unflexible and hard to use...
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@chrisbuchholz Of course you can support both. I believe that's why statusnet is using the Twitter API in the first place.
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@fabsh Nice to see someone else think that way. If we developed for every 1 user request we would have crap software.
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@andyc I agree with that @chrisbuchholz - it's, at least, unfair to criticise someone for meeting user requests, that's being courteous
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@chrisbuchholz Are you taking the piss ? You roundly slag off the UI of Mustard and then claim @macno is doing a great job ?
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@andyc @chrisbuchholz This is a very competitive space. Software developers, even FOSS devs, have to compete by offering what people want
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@fabsh I was not targeting the finished products as much as his personal views for the products. As yes, i think he does.
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@garethmcc We'd have lots of stuff working like Windows, yeah. :)
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@chrisbuchholz You should buy an iPhone then because both Android and Linux hold exactly the opposite view as you and Stevieboy.
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@andyc I have always said that !mustard functions really great. But its UX is bad.
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@silner Also, I don't use Twitter so guess what, I don't configure a Twitter account in Mustard. I don't feel the app is compromised at all.
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@chrisbuchholz I must admit I respect Twitter. They are one of the better commercial entities. I like Identica a lot more is all cc @andyc
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@chrisbuchholz Well @macno is a great coder and you are a (self appointed) fantastic designer. Post some mockups and work with him.
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@chrisbuchholz Sounds like you are applying to help @macno with design on #mustard! Very nice! Please post your ideas, mockups someplace!
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@silner I disagree. That way, the software will never get better, cause most users cant be creative and look in new and better directions.
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@silner Yes @macno is behind brdcst.it but don't let @chrisbuchholz see that Web site. He'd have apoplexy and spontaneously self-combust !
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@andyc Really? You cant be critical without "doing it better yourself"?
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@andyc How many food critics do you think are masterchefs?
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@silner In fact, to be fair, brdcst.it is a powerful, flexible bi-directional gateway and much more than just a Dia-->identi.ca relay.
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@silner I'm not a fan of Twitter but whenever I see reports about the sheer scale and numbers of people using, I think of the infrastructure
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@chrisbuchholz You realise that's the same "Compatibility only holds us back" defence Steve Jobs gives? cc @andyc
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@chrisbuchholz Not at all. There's no-one more critical of crap UI design than me and I can't design for toffee.
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@chrisbuchholz Oooh - you don't know me very well (yet) - but I simply luurrvvee quizzes. Is the answer - fuck all ?
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@chrisbuchholz If you read his speeches, that's exactly the reasoning Jobs uses. "If we're bold and go it alone, we'll innovate more"
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@jwildeboer I never said I was, but if I think I can help to improve, maybe I will. But I for sure dont have to, just because im critical.
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@silner I didnt, but I guess great minds actually do think alike, haha :D
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@chrisbuchholz Food critics is your example? LOL! Why not sports journalists. They also know fuck all about the stuff they "criticise".
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@fabsh But I guess there is a reason why they get paid for it...
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@chrisbuchholz A simple mock-up of what you'd like to see would already help and is no real work for you IMHO.
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@jwildeboer What's the odds it would resemble the 'Compact Legacy' using White on Black theme with no Status buttons that I use ? :-)
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@chrisbuchholz Yeah. The reason being that most people are complete idiots. That's like saying there's a reason that BILD exists...
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@jonkulp Yeah, I agree on that. Twitter is just too man-on-the-street for me. ;)
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@fabsh Yes indeed, so the people that are not, gets paid for the job.
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@fabsh My point was not that food critics or whatever are brilliant, but that you can know what good UI/X is, without being a designer.
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@chrisbuchholz Yeah, you can. You can also talk a lot of shit. Plus good UI isn't everything. I think the iPhone is case in point to that.
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@fabsh Yes indeed. But UX is really, really important. You can contain a bud-load of features, but it's no good if you can't manoeuvre them.
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@fabsh Thats why many CLI-suckless tools are great. Like !identicurse. The UX is in top, because of its nature. Much harder with GUI apps.
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@chrisbuchholz It's both important and needs to be weighed. A shiny app that has crap features underneath is also really bad.
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@chrisbuchholz Oh, !identicurse has it's own UI problems.... Just because something is CLI doesn't mean the UX is by default good.
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@fabsh Forget UI, its only an extra - not important. Great code, good UX and you go. !mustard just need to align and unclutter then it rocks
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@fabsh I believe I said "many", not all. And I think !identicurse does it great. Though, its young and need to mature.
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@fabsh M/point being that what many suckless apps does which is to focus on one thing and do that great naturally makes for a better product
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@lolosailing @fabsh Try the Status.net client for !Android =o
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@kekun That must be the slowest one of all.... Oo
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@chrisbuchholz Methinks you should code your own client then. I'll be sure to review it.....
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@fabsh No thank you, I think I will pass on that ;)
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@chrisbuchholz Why did I know that you would say that.....
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@fabsh Because thats what I have been saying all the time. I don't need to create something better than what I "critic on", just to be ..
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@fabsh .. allowed to critice "on it".
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@chrisbuchholz Nope. But it would give you more creedence and make you look like less of a jerk...
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@fabsh You think I act like a jerk? Thank you for that. Nice-guys never achieve anything. (GAG, LOL! :P)
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@fabsh I simply think you misunderstand my point
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@chrisbuchholz (Damn you mis-hit-return-key) just because talk right out of the bag.
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@chrisbuchholz It's not about your point, it's about bringing it across tactfully...
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@chrisbuchholz for me Mustard worrks good. Many thanks to the developer,
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@fabsh Give me a break. You dont talk about shit like its something that smells of heaven. (that was not a reference to !mustard))
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@dazfuller Background updates are off by default btw, they're handy :).
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@pdxdave I agree, but there could be done lots of improvements. "One should not rant on critique. One should use it for inspiration."
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@onedot good to know, almost time to go home and then I can get it all set up
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@chrisbuchholz I am interested in your suggestions.
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@chrisbuchholz hey, seesmic is quite good ;-)
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@pdxdave I might be tired, but suggestions about what?
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@dazfuller it is, but i dont use it because its too twitter-centric and closed source. But its a great twitter client.
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@chrisbuchholz what would Mustard look like if you had your say?
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@pdxdave Give me a break, mate. I will answer you later when I get time to give you a proper response :)
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@fabsh Dredging up a somewhat old dent here, but I'd be interested to hear what UI issues you found with IdentiCurse. Hopefully then ..
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@fabsh .. they can be fixed. :)
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@psquid I was talking about general issues inherent in curses. ie. only arrow key navigation and such...
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