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  1. Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Dan Scott , Richard Fontana

    @dbs @fontana, I disagree w/ "icecreaming" thing! Only reason the phrase is good is it admits that products early in lifecycle are horrible.

    Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:43:25 UTC from web
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn jesse , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, if you want to chase etymology, @jesse was first person I heard use it, in early 2001, before #Google co-opted the phrase.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:31:46 UTC
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      CiaranG CiaranG Richard Fontana

      @fontana Allegedly it was Paul Maritz (when at Microsoft)

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:32:32 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,before #Google co-option, I liked phrase "eat own dog food". It always reminded me of this essay, which I like: http://ur1.ca/330zh

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:33:05 UTC
    • jesse jesse

      @bkuhn @fontana - It was in common use at MSFT when I was there in 1998

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:33:38 UTC
    • Space Hobo Space Hobo

      @bkuhn the phrase is in my 1990s print copy of the #jargon file.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:34:12 UTC
    • Dan Scott Dan Scott Richard Fontana

      @fontana Looks like "eating our own dogfood" was used by Microsoft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfooding) in 1988 - verification needed.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:35:51 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I never liked the #Honeymooners. Even as a kid,I found something wrong w/ a comedy w/ a tag line that threatens domestic violence.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:39:23 UTC
    • Dan Scott Dan Scott Richard Fontana

      @fontana About ten years too early for that email to have been turned over to the court in the Sun-Microsoft Java lawsuit, alas.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:45:04 UTC
    • Paul Visscher Paul Visscher

      @bkuhn Google co-oped "eat your own dog food"?

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:46:19 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Paul Visscher

      @paulv, yeah, I am pretty sure the mainstream press use of the phrase is because #Google executives use the phrase in press interviews.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:49:32 UTC
    • Matěj Cepl MatÄ›j Cepl Richard Fontana

      @fontana of course I have to add http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000012.html ... just great reading.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:49:34 UTC
    • Chalkahlom Chalkahlom Richard Fontana

      @fontana: I remember someone on a cast saying, they prefer the phrase "drink their own champagne' Funny I don't really like champagne!

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:01:09 UTC
    • Aaron Williamson Aaron Williamson

      @bkuhn "dogfooding" falls apart too. eventually you want the product to be something you enjoy consuming. never true for dog food.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:11:12 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Aaron Williamson

      @copiesofcopies, that's why I always think of that Ann Hodgman essay. Her point subtly suggests maybe we should make dog food more palatable

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:14:23 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn emacs , Aaron Williamson

      @copiesofcopies,software never reaches "enjoyable",that's a fallacy;Even my beloved !Emacs, after 20 yrs,still tastes like dogfood sometimes

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:16:48 UTC
    • Aaron Williamson Aaron Williamson

      @bkuhn I disagree, but I also think it should be a developer's goal to produce something more enjoyable than dog food.

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:21:20 UTC
    • Justin O'Brien Justin O'Brien Aaron Williamson

      @copiesofcopies have you seen some of the ingredients in dog food. They eat better than I do! #currentlyonmywaytoinandoutburger

      Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:40:44 UTC

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