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@jdowdell Yeah, I noticed that. When Apple adds support, 3 of the top 4 browsers will do #Theora. IE can be solved with Java and/or ActiveX.
Monday, 13-Jul-09 00:47:37 UTC from web-
@ossguy: But lacks nearly any hardware implementation or support in professional videography, where h.264 has both foothold and respect.
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@kenpardue "Hardware implementations" of #H.264 can be adapted for #Theora. Publishing in Theora is easy: http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/ .
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@ossguy: but who is adapting them? Nobody with any significance, yet. I'm an OSS advocate and wish ogg well but h264 shouldn't be demonized
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@ossguy: also, realistically one still has to publish both h264 & Theora anyway for fallback on mobile devices, IE, etc. Java = bad user exp
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@kenpardue Most mobile CPUs can do #Theora without acceleration: http://bit.ly/9Nl0Y Just need to use player apps until it's bundled in OS.
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@kenpardue #H.264 should be demonized. It forces one to use proprietary software. #Theora doesn't limit choice. See also ossguy.com/?p=365
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@kenpardue I mean choice for viewers and publishers. Viewer needs codec that publisher uses; publisher must use codec most viewers can view.
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@kenpardue I don't like forcing a particular codec either. But to make <video> as easy as <img>, browsers must agree on at least one codec.
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@kenpardue Posting a picture from my digital camera should be free. I should be able to use the tools I want, not the ones MS/Apple define.
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@ossguy: Without a free competitor, most people want H.264 as that is what is supported in prof. video suites & more accessible than Theora.
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@ossguy: again, I'm hoping that Dirac and projects like Lumiera can change things in this respect.
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@ossguy: just the areas already most discussed and being worked on: tools and practical hardware implementations.
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@ossguy: it would certainly make it more discoverable if they would, but since that market is happy with H.264 I'm not sure it would matter.
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@ossguy: it's hard these days to draw a clear line between the Web and virtually any other field, don't you find?
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@ossguy: another hurdle is that Big Media isn't going to support something w/o DRM, nor are people going to stop consuming Big Media content
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@ossguy also, since h.264 spans Google/Youtube, the White House, Adobe, Apple, MS. It's *seen* as an open standard since they all use it.
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@kenpardue DRM is layered on top of the codec. Xiph doesn't need to support it for it to be there.
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@kenpardue Also, not meaning to insult your intelligence, but you *do* know DRM can't be made to work, right?
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@kenpardue You mean seen as a standard. No one thinks it's open. (see https://singpolyma.net/p/394)
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@singpolyma:I know how easy it is to remove DRM when *one wants to*, but removing Save As is as good as DRM.
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@singpolyma:I know how easy it is to circumvent DRM when *one wants to*, but removing Save As is as good as DRM.
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@singpolyma: regardless of the ineffectiveness of DRM though, it doesn't change the fact that its everywhere and not going away anytime soon
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@kenpardue people can wrap Theora in DRM. I don't see the point. If you remove "save as" people like me will add it back
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@singpolyma: right, but people like you and I aren't viewing our videos, educational material geared toward electrical utility workers.
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@kenpardue neither are such people likely to abuse the save as ability if you give it to them. If they want it they'll ask a geek friend.
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@singpolyma: agreed 100%, I've been around long enough to know it. Of course if they want it they'll get it. But the 80/20 rule also applies
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@singpolyma: I am in the camp that FLOSS and standard formats are the better way, believe me. I just also see H.264 as not being Satanic.
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identicaupdates: singpolyma: @kenpardue neither are such people likely to abuse the save as ability if you give .. http://tinyurl.com/lrk9pb
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@kenpardue H.264 is not satanic... I just can't legally encode/decode it, therefore I dislike those who use it or ask me to :)
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identicaupdates: singpolyma: @kenpardue neither are such people likely to abuse the save as ability if you give .. http://tinyurl.com/lrk9pb
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