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@teapotphilosopher bullshit, recommending non !freesoftware is not 'not respecting your freedom' you're a troll sir
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Daniel Martí
Debian
, GNU's Not Unix
, Linux
, Mozilla related technologies
, Identi.ca
, Chromium
, Iceweasel
I've had to switch to !chromium in !debian sid because of !iceweasel's low performance and problems with !identica. !linux !gnu !mozilla
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@danielmarti: Chromium is better with Identica on all the systems I've used. I suppose it's quite scripty though?
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@danielmarti And #chromium in #ubuntu still works best
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@michelenlared Is !Iceweasel getting to 4.0 at the same time as !Firefox? I really miss FlashGot in !Chromium... And i don't like !Google.
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@danielmarti each Firefox release brings performance enhancements
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@danielmarti !icecat is working fine at 3.6.*
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@danielmarti also, iceweasel 4.0 beta 12 is available in experimental
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@micahg Didn't know that. I'll try it. Thanks!
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@panicking5kywalker Not in the debian repos though :( But is it much different from !Iceweasel? They're both !freesoftware AFAIK.
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@danielmarti that you do not like google, not to say that chromium is not the browser that works best
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@michelenlared I hope 4.0 brings better performance :)
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@danielmarti Same here, #iceweasel sucks these days, but I had to use #chrome 'cause #chromium crashes on #identica an some other sites.
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@danielmarti have you noticed slow downloads with chromium?
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@danielmarti but still does not beat Chormium brother, I have two
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@sensei Not really, but all my downloads are done with Transmission via .torrent files.
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@danielmarti I have firefox 4.0b13 - chromium 11.0.696.0
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@jaimealsilva Not for me, !chromium unstable works perfect in !debian sid.
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@michelenlared Okay, I have iceweasel 3.5 and chromium 9.0. I can see versions 4.0 and 10.0, but no 11.0 in !debian experimental repos.
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@danielmarti The !debian developer who maintains Iceweasel has been hired by Mozilla; packages are likely to get much more attention soon.
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@danielmarti No, neither is much different from #Firefox. I'm going to try to upgrade to today's release. http://ur1.ca/3fdeg #gnuzilla
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@danielmarti I've been using http://ur1.ca/3fdfl because I couldn't install the source last year. #launchpad #ppa
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@danielmarti: I'm not using Iceweasel a lot. Tending to use Chromium and looking for Midori later
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@danielmarti You can get iceweasel 3.6 from experimental repo; 0 issues for me, ever. Stuck there due to stable freeze, I guess.
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@screwtape so Mozilla blew their fuses over Debian's patching policy, and now they hired the guy to keep the divide alive? =)
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@teapotphilosopher By the logic used for Firefox, !debian doesn't respect freedom either.
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@teapotphilosopher Absolutely hilarious that VRMS is in there. http://ur1.ca/3fexa
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@teapotphilosopher I'm sorry, !debian is a free system. A system that allows/makes it easy for me to install non-free software is still free
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@teapotphilosopher To allow the user to install non-free software is...taking away their freedom? Lies.
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@teapotphilosopher Furthermore, do read the Debian Social Contract before making such claims: [...]
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@teapotphilosopher "We promise that the Debian system and all its components will be free according to these guidelines."
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@teapotphilosopher […] to those who use non-free software on Debian.
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@teapotphilosopher Yes, to support the installation of non-free software is to allow it to be installed. If non-free software isn't […]
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@teapotphilosopher […] supported, it is unable to be used.
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@teapotphilosopher Debian Social Contract: "Thus, although non-free works are not a part of Debian..." They aren't part of Debian project.
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@teapotphilosopher They provide their hosting services to any project, free or not. That doesn't make the project nonfree.
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@teapotphilosopher Make that last "the project" be "the Debian project" *
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@teapotphilosopher What I'm trying to say, is that, though they host the projects, they don't necessarily advocate them.
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@teapotphilosopher Not really; again, the project has no non-free software. The project does nothing in support of that repo. They […]
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@teapotphilosopher […] package hosting services to any project. The non-free ones are not allowed to taint the system, so they are excluded
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@teapotphilosopher Because Debian doesn't actively work on them and they not enabled by default, this is no different than external repos.
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@teapotphilosopher To say that providing hosting to non-free hosting is supporting them is the same as saying Youtube supports me […]
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@teapotphilosopher […] if it would host my videos. Hosting material implies no support or endorsement of it.
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@teapotphilosopher Let me put it this way: Youtube doesn't support, I dunno, blues music by hosting it.
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@teapotphilosopher A hosting service does not necessarily support or endorse that which it hosts.
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@teapotphilosopher As a distro, Debian does not include non-free software. As a project, Debian hosts non-free software. But, they […]
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@teapotphilosopher […] don't necessarily support or endorse the software or its attributes (lack of freedom).
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@jokot3 how is saying 'use this non-free software' NOT failing to respect your freedom?
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@teapotphilosopher wrong they don't respect the FSDG. That's not the same as "freedom".
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@tekk because you don't
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@tekk (cont.) _have to_ use third party software, but you _may_ and Mozilla recommends you to
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