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@fontana Since !eff HTTPSEverywhere showed up I haven't wanted Chromium. Since !Firefox 4 showed up I haven't needed Chromium. :-)
Wednesday, 27-Apr-11 19:40:07 UTC from web- Osama Khalid likes this.
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@bkuhn BTW, unsurprisingly you get many mentions in the upcoming LO interview with @allisonrandal. :)
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@fabsh, Not surprised, but it's !disturbing. I honestly didn't mean to set myself up as leader of #Harmony opposition;it just sorta happened
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@bkuhn Actually, it's all very civil and there's a lot of mutual respect. Unsurprising, I'm on your side. :)
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@bkuhn It was a good interview, will be out in 204. I'm sure you'll like it! :)
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@bkuhn I'm grateful to you for it in a way as I had that role in some minds for a while.
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@webmink The Gang of Four, they could call us. Except that I haven't engaged in the process at all
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@fontana, As I've told you, You *really* need to write up a coherent essay/blog post on these issues. Your dents are helpful,but not enough!
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@bkuhn ie: affirm contribution ownership & legal review, copyright licensing/assignment, 3rd party copyrights, guarantee freedom, etc
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@fontana, give yourself more credit. To be brutally honest: IMO you're undervaluing your potential contribution as a procrastination tactic.
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@fontana, yes, this is the part where your argument is weak: *merely* perception problems are rarely show-stoppers that require rejection.
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@fontana clarifying patent license, trying to address the "future free licence" issue, affirming ownership of contributions are all good.
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@fontana, I fully agree: must limit agreements contributors must sign; but it's also important we be sure they contributed © under license
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@fontana On the contrary, I think your perspective needs publishing for reference by many people. Please do it. Happy to co-author :-)
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@fontana Add one data point. I'd like to read that which @bkhun attempts to goad you to write.
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@fontana,I'm fully convinced #Harmony is complete #FAIL for !GPL & probably other #copyleft licensing. Question is: "is ok for permissive?"
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@fontana don't forget the CRAZY CAPS for disclaimer and waiver sections (gotta be "conspicuous" UCC § 2 .. at least no html blink!)
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@fontana Heh. Scary thought....
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@fontana,Can never tell:when you quote my phrase ("!GPLv3: Better copyleft for users and developers") are you mocking me or giving me props?
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@bkuhn does it matter if CLA's, in effect, attempt to marginalize copyleft projects?
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@mjray: GPL3 is also a model of compromise. It upsets just about everyone equally ;-)
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@tmarble, yes, using #CLA's to marginalize #copyleft projects is !disturbing. No one knows for sure yet if #Harmony will do that: it might.
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@fontana: gah! I'm old!!!1 ;-)
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@bkuhn All of this talk about TPTB is making me think of Angel, though TPTB in this context sounds more like Wolfram and Hart...
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@bkuhn FWIW, I raised the question about #copyleft licensing and outbound licenses on the #Harmony review list at http://ur1.ca/3y35y
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@fontana I noted concern about license part of CLA conflicting with inbound software license on #Harmony review list at http://ur1.ca/3y39h
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@fontana I'm not sure I agree. There's a long-term threat as those patents hit the secondary market. See http://wp.me/pH8ns-8F
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@fontana What did it do?
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@fontana what disturbing behaiour
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@fontana grr sorry... What disturbing behavior in particular? #skepticalaboutgooglesopensource #scroogle
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@fontana ahh I thought it was gonna be something juicy :)
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@fontana Ah, get it. :)
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@fontana But since the Apache license expressly permits that same proprietisation it's not clear their CLA is an issue.
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@fontana Needed largely because of corporate-inspired caution, I believe.
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@fontana But surely the contributor must have patent rights to grant the contributee a license? I am not following you.
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@fontana I think I understand. The contributor doesn't get a patent licence for the rest of the code, not his. Is that what you mean?
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@fontana In which case, since patent grant is transferable, a patent license to users can happen on distribution (in SW license), no?
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@fontana You should mention this to Allison. I'm sure the intention is there, just needs to be spelled out.
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@fontana Apparently GPLv3 was drafted by vampires and @bkuhn is keeping a lid on it to avoid seeming insane.
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