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#Mono Developers Go Bye-Bye From Attachmate http://bit.ly/cNgLei Wonder what this means for Banshee, Tomboy et all... !Fedora !Linux
Tuesday, 03-May-11 22:49:52 UTC from api-
@rahulsundaram Good riddance.
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@jbeatty Can't say I feel thrilled about a number of skilled developers losing their jobs. Hopefully they find a better place
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@rahulsundaram Being a #Mono developer and expecting Mono to stick around in the !linux ecosystem was their own mistake
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@jbeatty I don't share that perspective
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Bf. ppl say #Mono devs losing jobs is good for !FaiF, !Linux &/or !GNU, I hope they'll read my blog: http://ur1.ca/42teb #Novell #Attachmate
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@bkuhn totally agree with you; sad that people are gloating. Mono brought more developers from w32 than it sent over, it's an important prj
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@bkuhn #mono devs r just trolls. See http://techrights.org/2011/05/04/mono-cult-silenced/
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@fontana @bkuhn Long suspected there's nothing wrong with @schestowitz that cutting down on caffeine wouldn't fix. (Said with affection.)
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Sad to hear about the SUSE related layoffs. I am using !opensuse right now and wish it well.
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@fontana If I express my views on TR and my views clash with him, I am labelled as an Astro-turfer. Dunno how this is misunderstanding Roy
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@bkuhn Well written, man. My thoughts exactly. Not surprising, given I get many of them from you. ;-)
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@gnufreex Are you thinking of the #sparkleshare issue? That was an unfortunate discussion stemming from a misunderstanding of tone.
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@gnufreex People getting upset when they feel their free software accomplishment is being diminished is not the same as trolling.
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@bkuhn I think it was when you were concerned by sparkleshare being dependant on Mono. Can't find it now. There is more surely.
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@gnufreex, I recall that exchange. I agree w/ @clarke: that was a #SparkleShare developer & he was *not* #troll'ing at all.
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@clacke It Mono devs were behaving like Wine devs (advocate only to switchers) nobody would would be pissed at them.
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@bkuhn Found it. https://identi.ca/conversation/53826093 Definitely trolling in there, but not between you and developer. /cc @gnufreex
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@clacke But instead, it is oposite. Mono devs fight agains other FOSS languages and dont attack .NET userbase at all. They fight for MSFT.
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@gnufreex True. #Mono is useful but #evangelism is !disturbing.
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@clacke And that is why people (me included) are happy that mono guys are fired: mono evang. is not going to be profesionall job anymore.
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@lorddrachenblut If they are pissed because of that, then they have problems with grasping reality.
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@gnufreex How many of the paid developers were doing bashing on the job, though? Guessing most were fanboys, which will still be fanboys.
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@clacke It is very connected. De Icaza sets the tone, and then fanboys sing. Without paid pros, fanboys are like headless chicken.
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@bkuhn Thats just, like, your opinion, man.
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@lorddrachenblut, #Mono isn't pointless. It's less important than #Mono developers proclaimed, but it was still worth doing even if risky.
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@gnufreex Well, given what people say about headless chickens, I not expecting silence soon. :-)
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@bkuhn He's just a troll; for instance, I can't be trusted because of my location: https://identi.ca/conversation/69577798#notice-71922634
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@azuthian When you say something like that, I can't help but think you are Monomaniac in disguise.
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@clacke I think he is blinded by love for MSFT. And I saw him heckling more times I care to remember. Other Novellers are not diff. either
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@sdanna standard procedure for Techrights trolls. Roy does the same thing.
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@gnufreex if anti-Mono trolls like you stopped trolling, no one would be pissed at them. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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@clacke Roy and his attack dogs have never been able to provide any evidence whatsoever of Mono developers bullying them.
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@clacke You'll notice that every time they claim they are being bullied, they fail to provide any proof.
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@bkuhn You are arguing with a troll. Want more of this trolling? http://goo.gl/yS5kI and http://goo.gl/3OLwJ
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@bkuhn I completely understand that. Whatever differences we have amongst ourselves, doesn't mean one should be happy at miseries of others
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@rahulsundaram The concern is of runtime and framework. Mono applications are anyway maintained and developed mostly by non-Novell people
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@jbeatty There are many OSS applications which don't gain traction or go mainstream. There is nothing to be happy at they losing jobs
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@manish Without the growth of runtime and framework, apps are going nowhere. Novell influence on major apps are still very strong
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@rahulsundaram I understand that. My points was that the troubles parts are basically framework and engine. Applications are going well
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@manish How much of Tomboy and Banshee is sponsored by Novell? If those employees were let go, those apps are affected as well
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@rahulsundaram Tomboy is basically maintained by community, sandy resigned from Novell & tomboy Banshee - abock, Bertrand dnt work at Novell
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@manish Commit stats would be a useful indicator. Otherwise, I don't know
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@rahulsundaram abock is the main author of banshee. only dev @ novell is gabriel burt
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@rclayton Like I said, commits stats of Mono itself and the popular apps would be useful and reliable data
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@rahulsundaram they're all in public git repos on git.gnome.org
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@rclayton I am aware of that. I am not curious enough to do the analysis myself. If someone else does, I will definitely take a look.
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@manish exactly. Roy and his pals taking pleasure in the misery of others is downright despicable.
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@rahulsundaram I don't know how much useful even commit stats would be, but I do keep a watch on mono apps, not much on framework & runtime
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Deconstructing #Red_Hat’s #OpenShift: The Q&A http://bit.ly/iGOC8W
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@manish Feel free to point me to any useful stats you have (apps, framework, runtime... whatever)
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@rahulsundaram I keep track of only applications, secondly I am not convinced that counting no of commits is a way to judge involvement.
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@rahulsundaram I can give you the names of developers for all the major mono applications - Tomboy and Banshee. If that would suffice
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@manish I certainly find commits stats more relevant than just names. I am not judging involvement but figuring out sustainability
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@rahulsundaram If you can tell me the exact tool to examine git repos and generate proper reports, I can do it for you
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@manish Look up gitdm. Thanks
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@clacke By that same logic, they are responsible for wrongy troll becausae he supports them.
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@gnufreex that makes you a hypocrite, because that's EXACTLY what you've been doing to the mono devs earlier in this very thread!
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