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"veteran Linux and open source journalist/analyst" discovers difference between copyleft and permissive license http://ur1.ca/45cek #itworld
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@kevingranade,I agree ∃ serious problems in #Google's openness re: !Android. But conflating that w/ !GPL violation is just counterproductive
Clacke Moved to Parlementum likes this. -
@bkuhn my statement is that OpenSoruce should be an adjective, not a verb. Which I think sums up the #Google issues nicely
Mike Linksvayer likes this. -
@kevingranade, it's not difficult to make distinction; problem here is people like #Naughton conflating the issues on purpose to link-bait.
Clacke Moved to Parlementum likes this. -
@x1101 Trying to follow here, so you're saying you can't "opensource X" you can only "distribute opensource X" or "author opensource X"?
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@kevingranade I guess I should be more clear. A project should be *opensource*, not *opensourced*
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@x1101 Sounds like my understanding matches your intent, your phrasing was a bit too clever for me to be sure though ;)
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@kevingranade pacman -S coffee; more coffee
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@x1101 Ghostscript used to do the same thing (hold the code private and release previous version under GPL) and still it was part of GNU
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@smaffulli, I think in hindsight, it becomes clear that some of the early GNU policies on release schedules & the like had "community bugs".
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@bkuhn delayed release is not effective at building a community but if faif happens soon enough I see no problem.
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@smaffulli, there is a problem, though, which you stated: no community of developers. It's not moral disaster, but thwarts forward motion.
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@bkuhn I'm confident Google is weighing pros and cons and will adjust in the future. Meanwhile, Meego is faif and developed openly
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@smaffulli meego's also very proprietary friendly, so not really much of an improvement. Only good thing is technically closer to std distro
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"a binary is a modified version of the source code" That's silly. It's a different form, not a modification. See section 3a of GPL v2.
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@bkuhn His article is great for explaining and clarifying some of the confusion. Disappointing that a "veteran" was confused in first place.
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@bkuhn Great point in your article though, that people keep throwing out accusations without showing footwork, e.g. "asked for GPL source".
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@bkuhn There is great confusion out there, no doubt. Many still seem to think GPL = must provide public VCS.
Richard Fontana likes this. -
@swashbuckler It is a different form, mechanically derived from source. Sausage is a modified form of cow. Anyway, @bkuhn picking nits. :-)
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@swashbuckler I don't think @bkuhn definition is silly. It does, however, miss #Naughton's point: original-source-derived binary not exempt.
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... which, to #Naughton's credit, is an important point. @swashbuckler @bkuhn
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@swashbuckler, IMO © (in USA anyway) is clear: adapted/modified/translated works are derived from original. Binary is derived from source.
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