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  1. Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

    @fontana It's pro bono. OSI always welcomes other offers of pro bono counsel.

    about a year ago from web
    • LWN.net LWN.net

      Aslett: Opening up the Open Source Initiative http://lwn.net/Articles/444260/rss

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn disturbing , Matt Asay

      I find it !disturbing #OSI announced its plans at a conference like #OSBC, but maybe I'm just annoyed @mjasay ignores my OSBC talk proposals

      about a year ago
    • Fabian Scherschel Fabian Scherschel Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn What happened?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Fabian Scherschel

      @fabsh, AFAIK, OSI just announced their membership plans at #OSBC. Such a strange choice for that sort of announcement, given OSBC's history

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Keep in mind we were turned down for months and only got the invite Sunday evening...

      about a year ago
    • Fabian Scherschel Fabian Scherschel Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Really? I always got the feeling OSI was very corporate-orientated. Considering the history of the term "open source"...

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn We actually have been discussing for much longer, including OWF, FOSDEM & OSCON.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, why did #OSI want to make the announcement at #OSBC in the first place? Are businesspeople your target for membership?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Fabian Scherschel

      @fabsh, I thought the same about #OSI, although @webmink has often claimed differently in recent years. I'm still dubious.

      about a year ago
    • Fabian Scherschel Fabian Scherschel Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn If that isn't the point of OSI, what is?

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn It was just a status update. The process was announced much earlier independently of any event: http://wmk.me/jCle3K

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn But yes, the plan includes a non-governance-linked Advisory Board for those folks.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Fabian Scherschel

      @fabsh,I can't figure out what purpose of #OSI is. I've urged them to focus on license-list,as it's the thing they've done well historically

      about a year ago
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Fabian Scherschel

      @fabsh,if #OSI could take a stance against #Harmony, that'd be useful, but their new corporate-controlled AdvisoryBoard may put stop to that

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Like the corporate patrons at FSF do?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, an Advisory Board is quite different from a patron. Anyway, why recruit an Advisory Board before you even have a membership?

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn or the way the corporate-controlled Advisory Board at GNOME prevents all software freedom existing?

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Forming the Advisory Board is at the end of the process.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn GNOME

      @webmink, !GNOME added an Advisory Board once the membership & governance were already well-established. Why not do the same with #OSI?

      about a year ago
    • Fabian Scherschel Fabian Scherschel Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn IMO their pupose is "sell free software (possibly under weakened terms) to business."

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, so, the recruitment of Advisory Board members at #OSBC was therefore premature for #OSI, don't you think?

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Who was recruiting AB members at OSBC? OSI wasn't.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn That is exactly what is happening.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Fabian Scherschel

      @fabsh, yes,that's the original stated purpose of #OSI. @webmink has been saying in recent years it's not their purpose anymore. I'm dubious

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, then I'm back to my original question: what was #OSI's agenda at being at #OSBC this year?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, that's good to hear. It still seems #OSI isn't in consensus for your plans for the org, although I generally like your plans.

      about a year ago
    • Fabian Scherschel Fabian Scherschel Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I have no inside knowledge, I'm just going what I see from their press releases, PR and the public record.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn All the OSI Board members present were there for other presentations. I was actually the "sceptic" on the Harmony panel...

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I think we've a solid consensus on the Board now.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, I'm not surprised. It seems half the panel were the people funding #Harmony. That's classic #OSBC pro-corporate bias. :-/

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, I readily admit my distaste for #OSBC that I offer talks each year & they are ignored (not even rejected, straight IGNORED).

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License

      @webmink, & meanwhile people who publicly lie about my !GPL enforcement efforts to the business community are welcomed back each year.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn It is my least favourite event of the year. But all my travel costs were kindly sponsored so I went anyway.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn If you look at the slides I was actually advertised as the token sceptic :-)

      about a year ago
    • Wayne Borean Wayne Borean Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink @bkuhn Skeptics are useful :)

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , disturbing , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I think both are an insult. I find it !disturbing that !OSCON hasn't scheduled you. Have you emailed them to ask why?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn All Things Problematic in this World , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I realize #OSI license list is !problematic, but it's good there are multiple licensing reviewing authorities in #FLOSS community.

      about a year ago
    • x1101 x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn +1

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Fedora users , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I'll go on record now;I agree w/ you: !Fedora has a better approved license list than the #OSI. How's that? Go quote me everywhere

      about a year ago
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,my annual #OSBC talk submissions are roughly equivalent to Charlie Brown continuing to try to kick that football Lucy holds for him

      about a year ago
    • x1101 x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn pointless, and entirely for others amusement?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , GNOME , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, In my decade on the !GNOME Advisory Board for !FSF, I've tried to help make sure it isn't for-profit corporate controlled.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

      @fontana He can just invoke himself actually :-)

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , GNOME , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, As I understand the !GNOME Advisory Board, each person represents the affiliated org. (e.g., I represent !FSF there, not myself.)

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn GNOME , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, However, IIUC that !GNOME *contributors* outside of the Advisor board represent *themselves*, *not* their employers.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I think there are no implications to the development process. The Advisory Board is not directly involved with development AFAIK.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

      @fontana Gnome Advisory Board is IMO 100% a fundraising activity with zero real input to Gnome.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , GNOME

      @webmink, !FSF has been able to give input through !GNOME, that's been heard, through the Advisory Board. & also gives no funds to do it.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I presume the capacities are completely unrelated. Not much different from doing a work thing & volunteer thing at same place.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn There is no causal mechanism though. The point is to recognise stakeholders while isolating them from governance.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License , disturbing , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I'd forgotten that. It's !disturbing that #OSI's General Counsel drafts the #Harmony docs & defends !GPL violators. @webmink, why?

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License , Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I'm curious to know #OSI's position on !GPL enforcement, given their lawyer is a man GPL violators call to fight me. CC: @webmink

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn disturbing , Richard Fontana

      @fontana,it's so !disturbing b/c he's #OSI General Counsel;I wouldn't be too concerned if Radcliffe occasionally did work as outside counsel

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, AFAICT you've asked the question why #Radcliffe is #OSI's General Counsel often. I've never seen you answered on that Cc: @webmink

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

      @fontana Which is not the plan.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn You'd need to ask me privately.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @webmink, there's a big difference btw accepting pro bono legal services & giving a high-ranking management position like General Counsel.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

      @fontana Not so. He was retained to finish the process when it stalled; he did not draft the agreements.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON

      @webmink, we should talk about it at !OSCON then. :) I won't forget to ask, of course. :) Be prepared. :)

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn disturbing

      @webmink, my sources indicate #Harmony agreements were rewritten by #Radcliffe. But no one can ever know b/c of !disturbing secrecy rules.☹

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Sure, but check the DM I just sent you :-)

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn He made good on the language but the conceptual framework preceded him.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Allison Randal , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, Indeed, @allisonrandal did indeed say #Radcliffe drafted current versionf of the #Harmony agreements at #lfcollab. I saw it too.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

      @fontana Semantics. Few of the ideas are his alone.

      about a year ago
    • Allison Randal Allison Randal Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn, @fontana Radcliffe was drafter from Dec-April. That means he did the editorial work of incorporating the group's changes.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Allison Randal , Richard Fontana

      @fontana I'm not sure whether that's covered by Chatham House. So I defer to @allisonrandal to answer.

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Allison Randal , Richard Fontana

      @fontana That's why I'd rather @allisonrandal responded :-)

      about a year ago
    • Allison Randal Allison Randal Richard Fontana

      @fontana Radcliffe's role in #Harmony after Alpha is as a volunteer participant, just like everyone else.

      about a year ago
    • Allison Randal Allison Randal Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I can state with absolute certainty that Radcliffe didn't rewrite the #Harmony agreements. The group picked over every tiny change.

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Allison Randal

      @allisonrandal,pls confirm: #Radcliffe received no compensation for work on #Harmony? Also,pro bono lawyers still've clients;Whose his here?

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @webmink shh, Microsoft may be listening ;-)

      about a year ago
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    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva I didn't say we'd always accept them :-)

      about a year ago

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