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@kevingranade, while lack of docs & my #xmodmap problem are both bugs, a dev was responsive to me *on identica* w/in 24 hours. Fast service!
Tuesday, 31-May-11 17:45:01 UTC from web-
I suddenly had urge to upgrade to !Debian squeeze. I've been hanging around lenny for too long. Ok,I'm going for it. Watch everything break!
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@bkuhn LOL! :D
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@bkuhn best wishes for smooth upgrade! Same thought's been on my mind too... will keep an eye out for any pains you share, thkx in advance.
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@techspotting,sorry if I wasn't clear. In cases where !Perl module is not in !Debian, I use dh-make-perl to create dpkg. That's what I meant
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@bkuhn I use local::lib, which is an excellent way of getting all the goodness of CPAN while not interfering with the system packages
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@bkuhn also the benefit of not needing to use root for installation, and it won't break across versions
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I wish someone had told me xmodmap was deprecated in !Debian. My entire computer usage depends on being able to mod my keyboard. I'm fucked.
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A blog post about my ordeal when #xorg failed to accept my existing #xmodmap upon upgrading from !Debian lenny->squeeze: http://ur1.ca/4b87f
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@bkuhn what if you remove the "add" lines from .xmodmap? Will the error go away? I worked around a similar issue using keycode & Mode_switch
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@bkuhn that was an x server bug that should now be fixed as of 1.9/1.10. sorry about that, and sorry about xkb too!
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@bkuhn xkb is a lot more expressive than xmodmap but the latter should always remain working, and we do need better tools for xkb.
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@bkuhn #xmodmap is broken and IMHO should no longer be used. #xkb seems more flexible once one knows how to use it.
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@vinc17 if xmodmap doesn't work, that's a bug which must be fixed -> http://bugs.freedesktop.org.
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@fooishbar The bug has been open for almost 4 years: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11822
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@vinc17 ouch - unfortunately it was on the wrong (misleadingly-named) component so i didn't pick it up on my searches through bz. thanks.
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@ao2, sure, removing the "add" lines makes the error go away, but it doesn't yield my Meta as Mod1 & Alt as Mod2, defeating the point.
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@bkuhn what I meant was that maybe you can find an alternative way to set modifiers starting from keycodes. The bug still holds OFC.
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@bkuhn Actually that's the xmodmap / kbd driver combination that is broken: http://bugs.debian.org/432011
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@bkuhn I don't know about your case. I switched to xkb a few weeks ago and started to write http://www.vinc17.net/unix/xkb.html
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@vinc17, madduck's tutorial is pretty good too;you may want to cross-link to it. Meanwhile, you know what mailing list to ask xkb questions?
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@gabrielsaldana,My Alt_L is meta on !thinkpad keyboard. On HHKB, I have a seprate Meta key. I use Alt to control #sawfish, Meta for !Emacs
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@silner I'd be inclined to think "F15 because you're worth it" - always good to flex the migration muscles every now and then ;-)
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@bkuhn I'll give refs. I used http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2004/02/msg01539.html (in French). I don't know specific lists.
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@bkuhn Upstream bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11822 (corresponding to my Debian bug) is still open.
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@bkuhn You may need to unset things. You can dump the complete config with "xkbcomp $DISPLAY xkb.dump" and see if there's anything wrong.
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@vinc17, yeah I've done plenty of that. I'm pretty sure I've discovered some sort of bug. I have a work around for myself, but want to ask.
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@bkuhn Make sure all modifiers are of type ONE_LEVEL, or something like that. Otherwise strange things can happen.
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@bkuhn yep, what you describe is definitely a bug and i'm fairly sure i fixed it upstream a couple of releases back. will have to recheck!
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@bkuhn as for debian/upstream - they don't patch that kind of stuff, so it'd definitely be an upstream problem.
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@bkuhn xkb questions are handled at xkb@listserv.bat.ru or xorg-devel@lists.x.org - myself and sergey udaltsov will see it
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@trashbird1240 it's not a debian-specific problem, it's just that fedora is a little more up-to-date. anyone using that version is screwed.
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I've attempted to be a good !FaiF sw community citizen by adding my #xmodmap problems to relevant !Debian bugs: ur1.ca/4bbry & ur1.ca/4bbrz
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@fooishbar, ok, I'll post the #xkb thing I was trying to xkb@listserv.bat.ru to confirm that I'm not just doing it wrong. Will do this wknd.
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b/c of my #xmodmap complaint,I forgot to mention how nice #Inconsolata 1.01 looks in !Debian squeeze. My favorite !Emacs font's even better!
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@bkuhn I use that as a terminal font. :)
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@fabsh, yeah, I use #Inconsolata for #xterm as well. Between that & !Emacs, about 80% of what I read on a computer is in that font.
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@bkuhn yeah, #inconsolata is the best font ever \o/
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@bkuhn Isn't there Emacs-terminalmode or something? :P
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@fabsh, there are various !Emacs terminal modes. I used to ansi-term sometimes. Interaction of Emacs w/ CLI editing in #Bash is !problematic
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@bkuhn Have you tried #AnonymousPro? I rather like it; very nice #OFL'd #monospace font. http://ur1.ca/3ntlp
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@sazius,I spent a lot of time getting #Inconsolata to look "right". Ping me again in a few weeks to remind me to write a blog post about it
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@fabsh Meta-x eshell
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@sleepynate emacs -nsfw. only use vi for that
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@bkuhn No!! Can't be!!! Emacs problematic? Nooooo!!! ;)
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@fabsh,Please pay attention to the precision of my wording: the !problematic part is *interaction* btw !Emacs & #Bash. Also, stop #troll'ing
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@bkuhn Now you're blaming Bash???? This means war! :P
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@sazius Looks good in Xfce on Arch.
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@bkuhn terminus is also a great font for consoles :)
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@sazius It's not the font. Debian probably doesn't do hinting or something because of some freedom reason or other....
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@carlosmn I think that expired last year. And I think Apple was the patent holder, although I'm not sure....
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@fabsh I think Apple own a different one (they use best-form-fit instead of best-pixel-fit or some such), though who doesn't these days
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@carlosmn Glad that Arch gives a fuck about patents because I don't either.
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@sazius How would the font be at fault? It's probably just that you don't notice it with other fonts.
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@sazius Hinting isn't font based. The font itself is exactly the same as in every other distro.
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@fabsh hear hear! specially since software patents aren't actually valid in this part of the world (but I don't want to leave Debian)
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@carlosmn Debian is too conservative for me for the desktop.
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@sazius Glad I could help. A bit.... :)
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@fabsh fair enough, I usually have GNOME sources lying around anyway, so if I want anything newer I use jhbuild
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@sazius glad you got sorted :)
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@carlosmn I need a lot of other new stuff....
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@fabsh yeah, I guess you need more modern stuff when you do podcasting, I tend to use emacs and the shell most of the time
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@sazius Cool! :)
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@bkuhn hilariously, i think it might not be a bug at all - have sent an email to bkuhn@ebb.org.
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@fooishbar, cool, thanks! I'll watch for your email. I think it's currently sitting in greylisting so I haven't seen it yet.
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@bkuhn M-x term works for me, but I need to leave it to get back to real emacs with keyboard shortcuts…
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@bkuhn sadly that’s OFL licensed, so it can’t be sold in itself. Is that completely copyright safe? → I want GPL with font exception…
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Man, the 1's in the new #Inconsolata look pretty freaking good. I can't get over it, maybe because it's really obvious in "2011".
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