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  1. Stephen Paul Weber Stephen Paul Weber Richard Fontana

    @fontana at most one wants a good way to embed StatusNet threads/comment form on-page http://sngpl.ma/t4Cm1

    Monday, 11-Jul-11 17:28:22 UTC from api at Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
    • Karsten Wade Karsten Wade Richard Fontana

      For those watching at home, @fontana found another place where I referred to #RedHatLegal re: #Fedora copyright notice http://bit.ly/mQCfwQ

      Tuesday, 31-May-11 23:48:48 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Red Hat , Karsten Wade

      @quaid, Gilligan's-Island © is certainly better than incorrect sole !RedHat claims, but why not "© Various" w/ not "lead"? More OSW, no?

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 02:03:30 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License , disturbing , Karsten Wade

      @quaid, I often pondered if "All Rights Reserved" contradicts !GPLv2 incompatibly. !Disturbing #Webbink "laid it down" w/out addressing that

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 02:08:52 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn GNOME , Richard Fontana

      @fontana,how recently did you realize that? #mmeeks & I wrote re: © notice as primarily attribution mechanism in !GNOME © assignment policy.

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 02:10:49 UTC
    • laurelrusswurm laurelrusswurm Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn © is NOT "primarily attribution mechanism" but a notice of Copyright. You software folks ought to be ahead of the curve on this one.

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 02:15:19 UTC
    • Karsten Wade Karsten Wade Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I suspect it was more evolving thinking to have "All Rights Rsevered"

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 03:41:54 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek Bradley M. Kuhn , Karsten Wade , Richard Fontana

      @quaid I submit that it ought to be `All rights revered' cc @bkuhn @fontana

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 03:44:39 UTC
    • laurelrusswurm laurelrusswurm Karsten Wade , Brian van den Broek

      @quaid @vanden how about "all rights severed"

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 03:46:39 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek laurelrusswurm

      @laurelrusswurm In the context of the GPL, that's the wrong message; by design, it preserves rights across acts of dissemination.

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 03:48:53 UTC
    • laurelrusswurm laurelrusswurm copyright , Karsten Wade , Brian van den Broek

      @vanden Unfortunately I know far too much abt !copyright & licenses, but @quaid's typo put it in my head: "All Rights Rsevered"

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 03:51:51 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek laurelrusswurm

      @laurelrusswurm In cc term, `rights severed' a nice jesty summary of cc0, whereas `revered' is like cc-BY-SA,

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 03:56:40 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, it's in detailed discussion (that's linked from URL you mention). Direct is: http://ur1.ca/4blel See "It's not my work anymore" §

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:10:26 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Debian , Stefano Zacchiroli , Richard Fontana , Bdale Garbee

      @fontana, I dunno. @bdale & @zack, could you tell us why !Debian .org says: "© 1997-2011 SPI". Do all website contributors assign to #SPI?

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:24:41 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software & Culture Group , disturbing , Richard Fontana

      @fontana,why's it !disturbing? #Fame is a major factor in human life & a reason many !FaiF devs get involved. #ESR was right about this part

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:27:08 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I'm surprised you believe "All Rights Reserved" is tacky & silly,given that your department (!RedHat legal) "lays it down" so often

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:28:28 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,when did #Webbink change his position? & if he did, why didn't he go back and correct his past mistakes on this issue? Seems sloppy

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:29:22 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License , Richard Stallman Political Notes , Richard Fontana , Brian van den Broek

      @vanden, @rms once promulgated "All Rights Reversed" as shorthand for !GPL in ©notice;Never caught on &is somewhat inaccurate (Cc @fontana)

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:50:08 UTC
    • Steven McDonald Steven McDonald Debian , Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn @fontana !Debian bug 388141 contains some interesting discussion on Debian website copyright. http://ur1.ca/4blzv

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:50:16 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn copyright , Richard Fontana , laurelrusswurm

      @laurelrusswurm, IMO you're conflating denotative & connotative meanings of !copyright notices. @fontana & I were discussing the connotative

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 12:55:02 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I agree `reversed' isn't too accurate. I halfway think my tongue in cheek suggestion *is* accurate; in spirit of 4 freedoms. :-)

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 13:04:18 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Debian , Richard Fontana , Steven McDonald

      @parsifal, thanks for pointing out !Debian bug 388141: http://ur1.ca/4blzv I've just commented there to volunteer to help. (Cc: @fontana)

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 13:15:57 UTC
    • Marie Axelsson Marie Axelsson Richard Fontana

      @fontana there was also a series remake!

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 16:18:14 UTC
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Richard Fontana

      @fontana brief history of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_rights_reversed supposedly starts in 1960s also "wrongs" http://ur1.ca/28zzg

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 16:48:35 UTC
    • laurelrusswurm laurelrusswurm copyright , Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn No, I'm not. !copyright is not a purely intellectual philosophical exercise, it is a matter of law. Full stop.

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 17:02:18 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software & Culture Group , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I agree that © notices shouldn't be used for attribution, but they *are* so used by many !Faif software authors. That's reality.

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:15:43 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, well, I see your problem right there. You're busy frying fish instead of doing legal work. Now your hippy kingdom makes sense!

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:17:20 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, are you trolling me or did you really think I'm a fan of the #Eclipse Foundation? (I'm not a fan of theirs, for the record.)

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:19:42 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Red Hat , Richard Fontana

      That's part of your problem, there, @fontana. You aren't nearly disruptive enough. Make with some disruptions over there at !RedHat.

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 18:21:21 UTC
    • Stefano Zacchiroli Stefano Zacchiroli Debian , Bradley M. Kuhn , Martin Zobel-Helas

      @bkuhn: good question,that © notice predates my involvement in !Debian | You'd be better off asking some -www team regular /cc: @zobel

      Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 20:59:26 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I like most #FLOSS Foundations & I probably like all of them more than I like for-profit companies. Doesn't mean I'm a fan of all.

      Thursday, 02-Jun-11 13:33:33 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Debian , Red Hat

      "What's this '…and the rest' crap?!?" I wrote a blog post about #GilligansIsland #copyright notices: http://ur1.ca/4k3am !RedHat !Debian

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 12:09:27 UTC
    • Lars Wirzenius Lars Wirzenius Bradley M. Kuhn

      I agree: !Debian should fix its website's copyright statements and licensing ♺ @bkuhn: ... http://ur1.ca/4k3am

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 12:58:51 UTC
    • Pamela Chestek Pamela Chestek Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Notice has legal role only, don't look to it to solve other problems like attribution. Not its job in the scheme of things

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 14:21:18 UTC
    • davidejavacorner davidejavacorner Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Chek this: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2011/06/27/credit-is-due/ (identi.ca is painful, can't you enable comments on your blog??)

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 18:06:00 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn davidejavacorner

      @davidejavacorner,"enable comments"="do extra work I've no time for". Choices are: (a) comment here,(b) comment by email, (c) ignore my blog

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 20:09:11 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn davidejavacorner

      @davidejavacorner, I'm not surprised Nina has that position on attribution. I think problem here is more logistical than intended plagiarism

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 20:11:07 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn GNU Affero General Public Licence , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, yeah, but if we did !AGPL'd #Disqus replacement, which we should, we'd base it on #StatusNet, or at least OStatus protocol, right?

      Tuesday, 28-Jun-11 20:40:30 UTC
    • Ben Finney Ben Finney Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I don't think “status update” maps very well to “comment on a blog entry” function. so OStatus & StatusNet aren't good options IMO.

      Wednesday, 29-Jun-11 00:10:14 UTC
    • Stefano Zacchiroli Stefano Zacchiroli Debian , Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I agree that "…and the rest" mention would be better than status quo for !debian website, hence #632175 http://ur1.ca/4kxwf

      Thursday, 30-Jun-11 09:32:41 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn GNOME , Pamela Chestek

      @pchestek, you've misunderstood my post. © notices have an impact on developers, which I was pointing out. Have you read !GNOME © policies?

      Monday, 04-Jul-11 23:33:09 UTC

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