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@fontana, perhaps you're right, but all I can think to say in response to you is: "Where's your Internet meme now, see?"
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Watching with concern as IBM and Oracle between them try to shut down LibreOffice with help from Apache.
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I've blogged about !Oracle & !IBM's plan to !Apache -2.0 relicense !OpenOffice & its potential impact on !LibreOffice : http://ur1.ca/4botw
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@bkuhn leave it to you to find negative in great news: namely, that OO.o is out from under Oracle and donated to ASF
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@bkuhn leave it to you to find negative in great news: namely, that OO.o is out from under Oracle and donated to ASF http://sngpl.ma/t4C60
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@singpolymanet, ∃ negatives & positives of !Oracle's action. But IMO !OpenOffice's future doesn't matter; !LibreOffice is what matters now.
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@bkuhn I like http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2011-06-01.html "highlights some of the great work…done as part of the GPLv3 process…"
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@bkuhn what makes you think that LibreOffice will go anywhere without corporate support? who will develop it?
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@smaffulli, !LibreOffice has corporate support:non-profit (TDF) & for-profit companies whose employees hack;I don't understand your question
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@smaffulli woah, woah. LibreOffice has been beating OO.o since launch because ppl are scared of Oracle. The community w…
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@smaffulli woah, woah. LibreOffice has been beating OO.o since launch because ppl are scared of Oracle. The community will … sngpl.ma/t4C61
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@bkuhn I think this will give good reason for people to adopt !LibreOffice for its Free ethic. !OpenOffice will become a haven for Non-Free.
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@bkuhn I've seen only that TDF has little money and developers come from Novell. I'm not convinced it can go far
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@singpolyma Oracle just handed the project to Apache Foundation (something that Sun should have done a long time ago): it's a community proj
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@smaffulli, I'm more worried about sw freedom than "how far a project can go". Free Software is a multi-generational marathon, not a sprint
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♺ @bkuhn: Free Software is a multi-generational marathon, not a sprint
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@bkuhn I believe that ASL is better license for the future of ODF as a format. I hope to see an ecosystem thrive on ODF http://is.gd/H7zkAU
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@bkuhn a dead free software project is dead sw. We need an open format for desktop apps more than dead free software
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@bkuhn Common formats are necessary to give practical reasons to switch to FaiF sw otherwise network effect+laziness let non-free prevail
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@smaffulli Community of who? Not Oracle. IBM commit only to be "more" active. Where are these paid developers?
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@smaffulli "Has little money"= raised €100k in a few days; "just Novell"=plus Red Hat, Canonical and 70 independents.
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@smaffulli I unerstand your early scepticism but reality has overtaken it.
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@smaffulli That's a new Apache community WITH NONE OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF ANY KIND. Right.
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@smaffulli That "dead project" just released v3.4 and has a regular drumbeat of releases.
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@alexhudson we'll see in the next months :) The longer term outlook can't be worse than it is now
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@fontana Watching very carefully to document a mode of failure.
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♺ @webmink: Watching with concern as IBM and Oracle between them try to shut down LibreOffice with help from Apache.
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@webmink I guess we can only wait and see where this goes and where RH+Canonical will put new efforts later on
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@webmink I didn't say that TDF is dead, btw
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@smaffulli It could be worse! Right now, most are at LibreOffice. If Apache split the community, both are weaker&could die.
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@fontana, have you seen the movie "Orgasmo"? There's a funny gag in it about ", see?" thing from old movies like that.
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I updated blog post ( ur1.ca/4botw ) on !Oracle / !IBM / !OOo / !LibreOffice to include link to @jra's comment on #Weir's blog: ur1.ca/4buss
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@neildarlow I believe the name says it all: !LibreOffice as in "Libre", #OpenOffice as in "open... for business". !FaiF will prevail :-)
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@bkuhn typo in your update. Figured I'd make a patch: "...IBM says diplomats..." should be "... IBM sends diplomats"
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@bkuhn Good blog about the licensing implications. Thanks!
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@fontana,my favorite #Edward_G_Robinson is his role in the #Cincinnati_Kid. He doesn't end sentences with ", see?" in that film at all IIRC
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@fontana Thank you so much for pointing this out, I think I will be enjoying some of the must see public domain classics in the near future.
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@mlinksva Everything PUBLISHED is in the public domain. But as we know, there are few works not subject to #copyright's protection racket.
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@bkuhn It seems you suggest LibreOffice is currently LGPLv3 only, but actually it's already LGPLv3+ http://ur1.ca/4cnsq
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@idoric, I asked a !LibreOffice bf. writing the post if was LGPLv3-only vs. LGPLv3-or-later & the developer said "only". I fixed blog though
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@fontana, I've seen #TheStranger, but of fugitive-chase movies where Orson Wells is the vilian, I like the #ThirdMan much better, see!?!
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It's however !disturbing: #ThirdMan was restored to active copyright from public domain by Uruguay Round Agreements Act: http://ur1.ca/4co7x
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@fontana Hey, thanks for the tip. Browsing the archive, I'm slack-jawed to see that they also have D.O.A.! #filmnoir #publicdomain
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@fontana Reminds me of the "Charade" case http://ur1.ca/4coej (only the story ends well in this case)
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@bkuhn elsewhere, they say there's a difference between code from fork and contribution code http://ur1.ca/4copc Sorry for having misled you
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@idoric,Makes sense now: Effective !LibreOffice license is !LGPLv3 -only,new contributions are (LGPLv3-or-later|MPL). My orig. point stands.
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@fontana great link. http://www.archive.org/details/SciFi_Horror "evil brain from outer space" is a must see
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@bkuhn Did you see my modest contribution to the debate? http://is.gd/FS1jO5
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@nearyd, yes & I agree with it. I often don't mention your blog posts, although I do read them, b/c I usually always agree w/ you. :) +1 :)
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@fontana, that meme sucks. w/out ", see?" on end, it's not nearly as funny. We gotta this: "Where's your FOO now, see?" meme of yours viral.
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