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  1. Gabriel Saldana Gabriel Saldana Richard Fontana

    @fontana if a system works, does rewriting it in another language bring any practical benefits?

    Friday, 17-Jun-11 16:07:19 UTC from Emacs Identica-mode at Monterrey, Nuevo León, Mexico
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps

      Bit.ly doesn't want you to read this: http://blog.cagle.com/2011/06/rick-santorum-when-the-anti-choice-choose/ (they falsely block it)

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:39:04 UTC
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Simon Phipps

      @webmink, why do you use a URL shortner that tries to censor in this way? What's wrong with ur1.ca & its codebase instead?

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:40:15 UTC
    • Windigo Windigo Simon Phipps

      @webmink Good to see the Streisand effect in full swing - thank you for the link, I would have not seen it otherwise.

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:43:30 UTC
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Will that thing let me use my own URL?

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:43:42 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Simon Phipps

      @webmink, It's based on #lilURL sources, and are available (go to http://ur1.ca ). You could presumably run this code on wmk.me.

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:46:21 UTC
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    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn So no, then :-)

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:51:18 UTC
    • Aaron Williamson Aaron Williamson Simon Phipps

      @webmink It seems to me that bit.ly is flagging the link because you passed it through 2 URL shorteners, not because of the content.

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:52:19 UTC
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Aaron Williamson

      @copiesofcopies That's not true though. I asked them & they say it's a Spamhaus report. They also refuse to help...

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 20:56:44 UTC
    • X11R5 X11R5 Aaron Williamson

      @copiesofcopies Just bought some new content for the link

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 21:06:24 UTC
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    • Bruce Cowan Bruce Cowan X11R5

      @x11r5 that's not really how the web works you know

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 21:06:56 UTC
    • X11R5 X11R5 Bruce Cowan

      @bruce89 i'd rather send it to know in the works?

      Wednesday, 15-Jun-11 22:54:09 UTC
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps

      Bit.ly have now responded to me. They've removed the false block and promised to set up a system for reporting false positives.

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 00:04:13 UTC
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Simon Phipps

      @webmink, Huh? The software is not complicated and doesn't require special infrastructure. It's just a small PHP application.

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 11:14:43 UTC
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn Loads of assumptions behind that :-)

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 11:18:11 UTC
    • speeddefrost speeddefrost Richard Fontana

      @fontana You're using something written in PHP RIGHT NOW ;D

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 18:46:49 UTC
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    • x1101 x1101 Simon Phipps

      @webmink glad pulled the context on a dent to get here. Very informative atricle.

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 18:52:20 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, be careful, I have a very cool hack idea for URL shortening code. You're baiting me into hacking on it (a good type of #troll BTW)

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 19:12:21 UTC
    • x1101 x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I really hope you plan on contributing it to ur1.ca. (goad goad)!

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 19:14:38 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn x1101

      @x1101, I'm was going to be evil & rewrite it in #Python w/ #Twisted. #lilURL is not very much code at all, really. & I hate #PHP. :)

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 19:15:44 UTC
    • x1101 x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn hurray #python! (surprised your not planning perl)

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 19:17:18 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The Parrot Virtual Machine , x1101

      @x1101, Doing it in !Perl 6 might be fun, but #Twisted is a good library choice for this. If both Python & Perl ran on !Parrot today...

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 19:38:58 UTC
    • x1101 x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I thought they did? or is it just the prototype #perl6 (Rokudo?) that runs on !parrot?

      Thursday, 16-Jun-11 19:40:56 UTC
    • Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou Simon Phipps

      @webmink No, but that would be a useful feature.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 13:54:50 UTC
    • Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou Richard Fontana

      @fontana Indeed! In a nutshell, LAMP stack is widely deployed, FLOSS Web developers know it. Too good an ecosystem to step out of.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 13:59:00 UTC
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I may have to hold you to that. Do you want to hack on my #lilURL replacement idea? It'll be in #Python using #Twisted.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 15:22:24 UTC
    • Gabriel Saldana Gabriel Saldana Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I'd like to help u on that. I just have to learn #twisted :)

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 15:26:49 UTC
    • x1101 x1101 Richard Fontana

      @fontana do you have some issue with PHP? even free software projects written in PHP (either GPL or AGPL)

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 15:33:57 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek

      @gabrielsaldana Of course it can. Languages vary in size of user base and in maintainability. A move from low to high on either is a win.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 16:20:51 UTC
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer disturbing , Evan Prodromou

      @evan I appreciate #LAMP ubiquity & !disturbing aspects, but not why so many think yet another slow lang with f'd i18n worth leaving for.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 17:38:32 UTC
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      Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou Mike Linksvayer

      @mlinksva Do you mean "leaving LAMP for something else" or "leaving something else for LAMP"?

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 17:41:34 UTC
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Evan Prodromou

      @evan former, specifically leaving LAMP[HP] for #python /asbestos-on

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 17:43:38 UTC
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      Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou Mike Linksvayer

      @mlinksva Well, writing Python is much, much more fun than writing PHP. Probably makes for less good software, though.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 17:47:21 UTC
    • Gabriel Saldana Gabriel Saldana Richard Fontana

      @fontana the only benefit Ive heard of in some cases (twitter) is scalability issues, but that was coming from rails. Don't know of php case

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 18:00:29 UTC
    • Gabriel Saldana Gabriel Saldana Richard Fontana

      @fontana although I agree on writing more #python and less #php. Sadly for me #php is my day job

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 18:01:12 UTC
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      Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou

      @szul I have a theory that if you like programming, you'll end up concentrating on code more than on features. No evidence, though.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 18:02:59 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software & Culture Group

      @fontana,that's most pathetic #troll of me you've ever done. You're asking if software I'm thinking of writing will be !FaiF or not?! C'mon!

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:13:07 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn GNU's Not Unix

      @fontana,yes,IMO @evan had good reasons for status.net choice,akin @rms C-for-early !GNU arguments. OTOH,I do dislike #PHP. Geschmacksache.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:15:46 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn I think that @fontana kicked it up a level to meta-trolling. I also think it worked :-)

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:16:17 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      @fontana @gabrielsaldana, Only reason I'd consider a full rewrite of #lilURL is b/c it's only 452 lines of code *&* documentation.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:19:59 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      IMO, if the entire project , including code & docs, is only 452 lines of code, there's no reason not to start from scratch if you want to.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:20:58 UTC
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    • Fabian Scherschel Fabian Scherschel Bradley M. Kuhn

      ♻ @bkuhn IMO, if the entire project , including code & docs, is only 452 LoCs, there's no reason not to start from scratch if you want to.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:23:03 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @vanden, @fontana has done some (successful) meta- #troll'ing w/ me recently, but there are no examples in this particular thread of that.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:25:21 UTC
    • Jobu Dudek Jobu Dudek Bradley M. Kuhn , Fabian Scherschel

      @fabsh @bkuhn It's hard to find a single file in my current project under 452 lines

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:29:47 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I beg to differ. He trolled you into complaining about the quality of his trolling by prodding you with a shoddy troll. Checkmate.:-)

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:34:18 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana , Brian van den Broek

      @vanden,if @fontana set forth *consciously* w/ that plan, then I will be quite impressed & agree to "checkmate". Otherwise it's post hoc IMO

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:36:39 UTC
    • John Drinkwater John Drinkwater Bradley M. Kuhn , Máirín

      @mairin thinking maybe we can call it 'triggering' @bkuhn, imo trolling would be more ;)

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 19:38:36 UTC
    • Amgine Amgine Brian van den Broek

      @vanden Wait, whut? PHP has a rather dramatically large user base, especially in comparison to Python.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 22:27:36 UTC
    • Brian van den Broek Brian van den Broek Amgine

      @amgine I was giving an answer giving general reasons for rewrite. No claim about particular case. Many PHP'ers; so, that reason not here.

      Friday, 17-Jun-11 22:31:56 UTC

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