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I really hope Laconica isn't renamed Identica. It introduces more confusion than it resolves, IMHO. Wordpress v wordpress.com doesn't apply.
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@kshep I think it's a good idea. Laconica isn't that good of a name anyway..... ;)
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@kshep I agree - a service and the software it runs are two different things and should have different names
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@evan http://laconi.ca/trac is down
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@evan You do risk the Jabber effect. It's hard to say whether you're in a Wordpress or a Jabber case.
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@marjoleink I think it makes it instantly clear what the software does. Compare: WordPress, SugarCRM.
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@evan (1) The software is Wordpress, and wordpress.com is just one of many hosting options. Would you switch to identica.com and .org?
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@evan (2) Wordpress isn't a community app. It really doesn't matter to visitors what blogging app you use. It's a back end convo.
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@evan is there a reason why @ dont work over OMB when it works locally even tho both aint subbed to each other? This did work at some point?
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@evan kinda defeats the purpose of federation if I have to log in locally to reply to a one-way- sub
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@evan (3) You've said Identi.ca is for-profit, while Laconi.ca is open source. Folks talking FLOSS need never mention identica at the moment
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@kshep I don't own either domain. We can easily put the software distribution under http://identi.ca/trac/ , /translate/, and /darcs/.
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@evan I think WordPress (etc.) just confuses: you *always* have to ask people whether they are using the site or just the software
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@kshep There's a lot of for-profit Open Source software -- again, WordPress and SugarCRM.
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@evan FWIW, I understand the semantic difference, but its one of those pointless niggling ones that make mainstreamers confused and annoyed.
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@evan Again, those aren't community apps with a network effect s.t. it matters what instance you're talking about.
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@evan The company was named after the protocol, IIRC. It's still stifling competition. Nobody talks about OMB, yet.
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@heygabe It bothers me having to describe the difference. I agree, it's confusing and annoying for no reason.
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@evan you *will* have to describe the difference much more if they have the same name
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A fork might not be a bad idea. You could continue to work on Identi.ca, @evan, and Laconica could become a more community based effort.
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@kshep I believe most other instances right now have their own names.
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@evan Indeed they do. Each Laconica instance has it's own name. Yours just happens to be Identica.
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@kshep You need to be pretty serious before threatening a fork, Ken. Better think about where you're going with this.
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@kshep it doesn't have to be a fork - it's AGPL - any identica project code he writes has to be made available for pulling back into
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@evan I'm not "threatening". I'm having a conversation in the open about the cons of you choosing to rename a comm project.
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@metajack I would suggest it does - it's very straight forward language that says all customizations to a laconica site must be accessible
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@kshep another data point: unanimous and enthusiastic support on laconica-dev: http://ur1.ca/7z3
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@metajack now him being copyright holder doesn't prevent him from having dual license
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@evan I've been following the laconica-dev convo, but the community members/users aren't participating in that convo.
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@kshep liek there's a difference between Apple and iPhone
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@evan: in this instance I think Identi.ca has stronger branding. Software equals strategy. Identity equals Identica. I back your approach.
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@kshep what's the difference between name and branding? not disagreeing, just curious
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@kshep But the brand isn't really the descision of the community, is it? Also, I doubt the majority of the users would care...
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@kshep ...since the whole point of OMB *is* the fact that you can be brand-agnostic, right?
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@evan I have to say I'm with @kshep on this. Identi.ca is a commercial instance of a OSS project, Laconica. Merging the names is confusing.
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@metajack yes, agree - I was just being a license pendant for a second - what you said is a simpler version of what I said :)
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@metajack So how are things going with your Jabber foundation?
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@kshep I'm not saying I disagree with your preference. I disagree with the severity you assign it.
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@bugabundo did you get my d message sent about an hour ago?
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Identica wishlist: The ability to do a quickmix with a handful of users to create a 'conversation'. This time: @kshep @evan @metajack @dwd..
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@bobthecow let's hashtag the conversation. #laconicaname
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@bugabundo so we can send d msgs through XMPP but they need to be checked out from website? no thanks (for now) :)
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@bobthecow @evan If I understand your idea correctly http://identi.ca/notice/741733 it's TERRIFFIC. My take: it's a "room on the fly" ??
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@bear you knit! that's adoreable. I always worry how the knitters and the geeks will get along
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@metajack very cool - I've always considered knitting as a more physical form of programming
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@bear It does have a weird similarity to math and programming. I never did anything complicated though.
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@metajack the west coast is like what, a 30 hour drive from the midwest? ;)
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@tychoish a shame you just missed BarCampMilwaukee3 this past weekend :( Don't worry though, we have a plan for PodCampMilwaukee :)
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Whoa, the @christopheradams clan has grown with addition of @mja ... cool :)
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@metajack @bear #knitting I geek out on the intracate stuff http://www.tychoish.com/2007/12/casbah/ is the most impressive pictures I have
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@bobthecow Quickmix: select a handful of subscribers to follow a specific conversation without reading the rest of your subscribers?
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@bobthecow @rjeffries @evan How about something like http://identi.ca/bobthecow+rjeffries+evan+forteller to see the conversation between us?
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@slidetone Something like that... @forteller suggested urls like this: http://tinyurl.com/3p4a78
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@bobthecow Cool idea. I had the same idea few weeks ago. To select a small group of subscribers for a specific time.
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@bobthecow It would make it easier to follow a conversation on one topic.
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