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@fontana Just checking if you have examples of a community fork that failed due to preference for the prop. version
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jsmad notes on GPL as a license for a javascript library seems confusing https://github.com/nddrylliog/jsmad @bkuhn @fontana
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@rahulsundaram,IMO it's not confusing to have a #Javascript library under the !GPL. The implications are clear, even if they don't like them
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@bkuhn I am not sure it is common or well understood however. Perhaps you can help them out or write a blog post
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@rahulsundaram, @rms already wrote about this issue. I encourage you to share it w/ them: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
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@fontana, are you saying that you recommend the !AGPL instead for #Javascript libraries? If not, why are you suddenly anti-copyleft?
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@fontana,you mean proprietary relicensing? All the more reason to encourage #Javascript devleopers to make legitimate use of !GPL, of course
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@fontana Isn't the trouble there, centralized copyright control, intended commercial exploitation as opposed to a problem with copyleft?
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@bkuhn #OpenCore is Creative Commons heavy metal. That makes (at least) as much sense as any other definition.
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@rahulsundaram, you are of course correct. @fontana is likely just #troll'ing anyway. @fontana, why do you waste our time like this?
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@fontana @bkuhn Lisp has had a LLGPL for similar uses since 2000. http://opensource.franz.com/
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@jasonriedy,I don't really see what the need for that is,especially now that !LGPLv3 exists. Anyway,that's not an argument to avoid copyleft
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@fontana,explains how to specify license in #Javascript file. Are you saying some people don't know shipping a copy via web is distribution?
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@bkuhn I'm pro-copyleft, but think that LGPLvX *may* need clarification for some users in very dynamic environments (Lisp, JS, etc.).
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@bkuhn But I also could well have missed relevant LGPLv3 changes. Not fully free to choose my licenses ATM, so haven't reviewed.
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@fontana isn't the aGPL meant for that? Or is that only for server ruun code?
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@jasonriedy, can you show me what parts of !LGPLv3 have a problem in this regard? I am not really seeing what you mean in that context.
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@fontana, are you saying you don't know what the C&CS is for a #Javascript program? If you are asking that, ask it & quit w/ anti- !GPL FUD.
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@fontana, and you are wasting my time by raising vague complaints without even saying what the questions are. Write something up clearly.
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@bkuhn For Lisp, 4.d) looks like the problem. Difficult to apply to dumped systems. Not sure about JS. 4.d) assumes an object model to me.
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@fontana, please write it. Now that you are against copyleft (at least in some cases), people should know clearly your opposition.
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@fontana, from my perspective, the reasonable position here would be: "Why your next !GPL'd #Javascript library should have many © holders"
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@fontana, I honestly think you're being blinded by a problem & overreacting to it. Multi-copyright holders solves this problem trivially.
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@fontana, Now I think you've descended into paranoia. My original advice still stands in fighting proprietary relicensing: FORK NOW!
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@bkuhn You keep using that word (`trivially')
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@bkuhn It might be the dent constraint, but it is not at all obvious to me that it really is trivial. Have you a longer form account?
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@fontana are you marginalizing the contributions of children to !Fedora?
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@rahulsundaram, is any SRPM code under copyleft at all? What's the usual license for the actual SRPM work in !Fedora in most cases?
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@bkuhn ENOPARSE ... what's "SRPM code"?
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@bkuhn Fair reply. The issue I'd most like clarified are the `clear implications' of GPL for JS Libs. Seems unclear to some of good faith.
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@rahulsundaram @mcepl, yes,I meant SPEC files &associated macro code. Are most really permissively licensed rather than license of upstream?
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@bkuhn The substantial agreement b/w you two is clear. I'm back to lurking so as not to derail the conversation. :-)
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@bkuhn I cant see how they would be a deriv of project, so they likely could be licensed however the author chooses, 1/2
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@bkuhn If it is a distribution created spec file, tends to be permissive, openSUSE has all spec file explicitly licensed under MIT
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@fontana per my last note, I cant see how they would be deriv.
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@x1101, they are part of the C&CS for !GPL'd packages. Need to be GPL-compatible license but could be permissive (cc: @rahulsundaram @mcepl)
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@fontana Sussman knows copyright quite well & works with other orgs, too. Chose your complaints with more care.
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@fontana Still stands. I know him through other orgs, quite knowledgeable in social+© issues. Might not agree with you. Take care with...
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@fontana ...calling out others who aren't here to respond.
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@gbraad is that about the website license? that was a bug, we just fixed it: http://ur1.ca/4hdlo If it's anything else, please tell us!
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@fontana asked for an example of a !GPL'd #Javascript library with many © holders & no proprietary relicensing. Can someone find one for me?
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@fontana,I bet such exists,I just don't know the space so well. Do you want an even money prop bet that I can exhibit two by end of 2011?
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@fontana, finding examples of #Javascript libraries for you isn't my job. I'd have to schedule time to learn space better. Don't be a jerk.
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@bkuhn I was thinking about writing this javascript library. I could really use your help...
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@paulv, my point was to find one that existed before I bet w/ @fontana. There are so many #Javascript libraries; he's sampled very few.
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@bkuhn I’ve gone through basically all JS libraries I know. None are GPL’d at all. MIT/BSD all around
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@bkuhn I've gone through basically all JS libraries I know. None are GPL'd at all. MIT/BSD all around http://sngpl.ma/t4CY4
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@singpolyma, if so, @fontana's comment on !GPL'd #Javascript libraries, even if accurate, is much narrower than he led us to believe.
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@bkuhn if one wants to keep copyleft on code, should just be sure to own some piece under AGPL, no? http://sngpl.ma/t4CY5
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@singpolyma, (I think) the debate in this thread is about whether a community fork of copylefted code can survive,not how to actually do it.
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