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@kevingranade @gbraad @jwildeboer, Thanks for all your advice. At risk of frying another video card, I'm trying @ossguy's laptop w/ my HD in
Tuesday, 05-Jul-11 15:31:01 UTC from web-
@bkuhn How many years did your T43 last? I've had an X61s for almost 4 years, hoping to keep another 4 :) (Sadly no free firmware for wifi.)
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@sazius, I used the T43 for 4 years, but I bought it used & I'm not completely sure what its age was when I bought it.
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@bkuhn OK,my X61s was new so hopefully last many years still. I've upgraded HD tho, but full disk encryption makes it seem slowish at times.
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Bad SVGA cable or bad monitor can't screw up video card, can they? I find it odd: 2 laptops have video card problem w/ same external monitor
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@bkuhn try a different monitor? Some circuits in monitor poss flaky.
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So,quite clearly my video issue is a hardware problem: both screens ( !Thinkpad LCD & external SVGA) went fuzzy then blank; required reboot.
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@jwildeboer, I do plan to try a different monitor, just as soon as I have access to one. I only have one external monitor at the moment.
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@jwildeboer, main concern is whether I'm damaging video card further by plugging in possibly bad monitor. This seems impossible to me,though
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@bkuhn not impossible. VGA is nout output-only. Also DDC etc. So short in cable or too much current on signal line can cause damage.
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@kevingranade, given that I don't know what optoisolated means, I'm really clueless here. @jwildeboer also says its possible. Hrm. :-/
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@bkuhn Also possible both laptops have the same video chipset and therefore the same driver bug. That's easy to check.
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@bkuhn @kevingranade @jwildeboer certainly not optoisolated, DDC is mostly unidirectional, but yes... I also fried a DAC once on my notebook
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@bkuhn generally the signal levels are low, TTL. but you can still have faulty equipment. my output broke due to combination of factors
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This is the very serious downside to my used-hardware-only obsession. I lose many hours on weird problems that don't plague other users.
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@bkuhn you're not loosing then, you're donating them to the future by not putting that hardware into a landfill!
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@x1101, that's an favorably kind explanation, but the power consumption vs. landfill impact of old hardware is still frankly a mystery to me
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@kevingranade, I'd also be surprised. Yet, some have argued this possibility. It seems really dubious to me. I agree w/ your servers point.
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Switching laptops gave me a whole day of no video problems w/ same monitor. I'm convinced the other !Thinkpad has a !problematic video card.
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@bkuhn Didn't you say that two laptops had problems with the monitor?
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@lnxwalt280, yes, the original T43 that started to have failure is what started it. A T60 also had trouble. The second T60 seems just fine.
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@justadude Ha ha ha ha ha, they usually don't make any sense, but THAT takes the fucking cake. :D
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@nybill I kinda figured they're running out of listeners. No publicity is bad publicity, after all...
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@kevingranade yeah man, they did
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@nybill you are totally right. I know I shouldn't feed the troll, they just pissed me off so much I just can't help myself. #trollfeeding
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@justadude I know the question is directed at !bkuhn but that is a ridiculous assertion
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@madhacker it isn't my assertion, and im not a lawyer, but I figured since Bradley knows lawyers he would have an informed answer
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@justadude no this is bullshit. And who cares?
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@bkuhn coming out of hibernate on Squeeze often leaves me with distorted text and images in applications. I've been restarting gdm to fix.
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@copiesofcopies,you've got !Thinkpad X60 w/ !Debian squeeze? What video card? Have you tried calling pm-hibernate from a virtual terminal?
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@bkuhn no, my setup is pretty different. Lenovo X61, Intel GM965/GL960 graphics card. But symptoms seem possibly related.
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@bkuhn Intel i915/945/965 videocards are currently problematic with suspend/hibernate. Make sure KMS isn't bugging either. Check xrandr too.
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@copiesofcopies I have an X61s with the same gfxs card without any suspend problems. Are you discussion hibernate to HD or suspend to RAM?
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@sazius hibernate to HD.
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@copiesofcopies OK, then disregard my comment. Although you'd assume suspend would be more particular about graphics and other hardware...
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@bkuhn ATI cards require non-Free firmware that Debian moved out of main; long ago I had trouble with ATI cards for lack of firmware
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@bkuhn the problem in 2.6.32 manifested as interrupt storms and more. I had to blacklist radeon.ko back then. maybe try that
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@bkuhn I'm guessing you are unwilling to try fglrx driver?
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@bkuhn are there not laptops you like that use Intel gfx?
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@bkuhn are there not laptops you like that use Intel gfx? http://sngpl.ma/t4Co1
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@singpolyma, can you suggest a good used model in the !thinkpad line similar to the T60 that do? If you can, I'd appreciate it.
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@singpolyma, I've spoken to the !FaiF #Radeon driver writers before & they say for non-3D stuff, #ATI is forthcoming w/ specs generally.
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@bkuhn My work machine is an X201 http://sngpl.ma/u1p http://sngpl.ma/t4Co2
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@singpolyma To be fair, there are T60s that use #Intel #GMA 950: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60 I have recommended these to @bkuhn.
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@bkuhn The T400 series also seems to use Intel GFX http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-LENOVO-THINKPAD-T400-INTEL-C2D-2-26GHZ-160GB-2GB-WF-/160615763701?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item2565720ef5
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@bkuhn The T400 series also seems to use Intel GFX http://sngpl.ma/u1q http://sngpl.ma/t4Co3
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@bkuhn It could potentially eliminate the possibility of hardware faults.
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@zapadlo, I've eliminated hardware question by trying different equipment end-to-end w/ same software. Odds are very good it's not hardware.
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@okfn hope you post some more here at identica in the future :)
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