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Remember that old chestnut "we're gonna hold back #KMail till it's ready", what a load of BS that turned out to be :-( I sigh for !kde
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@esdaniel kmail 2 has been working really well for me since kde 4.6.0 was released. never had any problem with it.started with a new config
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@marcusharrison lets hope all early adopters' pains will ensure smoother transition for the later adopters, KDE needs to get that picture!
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@pereiraalex thanks for the response and it's encouraging to know there's hope, it's been a tough weekend getting my migration done.
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@esdaniel maybe that was the problem,the migration. I have a policy in every software to always start clean when updating very dif. versions
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@marcusharrison I keep telling people that about kmail2 but it seems no one wants to listen @esdaniel
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@bigbrovar I've been listening, when kde 4.6.5 arrived in Arch repos no option to update, as per prior releases, & leave KMail untouched :-(
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@esdaniel yeah its the same problem with kde 4.0, most distro packagers ignored the advise of developers that it was not ready for primetime
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@esdaniel u might have to find a conservative distro? or take it up with the arch community to provide packages for kmail1 / downgrade path
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@bigbrovar that's dumb.
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@bigbrovar lol, i might want to save myself the headache and go with openbox and thunderbird you mean!?
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@bigbrovar ps. the upgrade's been done now - when you receive email in kmail2 does the status bar of the window report anything back?
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@esdaniel u can always use thunderbird in kde (I used to do that before I got a hang on kmail now I can't use anything else)
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@esdaniel I did upgrade to kmail2 using the kubuntu experimental repo. tbh the migration from 1 to 2 did go well.
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@esdaniel I however did have some issues mostly perfomance related and figured am better off with kmail1 which has been super stable
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@bigbrovar filters, ak-agents, nepomuk/akonadi resource hogging during migration and system crashing were some of the joys I experienced.
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@pereiraalex part of what I do is being able to advise based on real experience, thus I'm able to recommend not to upgrade to kmail2 yet ;-)
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@esdaniel just go back to kontact1 its very stable and AFAIK there is not major feature advantage Kontact 2 has over it.. at least for now
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@esdaniel I have no doubt things would improve with kde 4.7, already kdepim2 has seen its first SP update which closed lots of bugs
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@bigbrovar i've been able to get kmail2 running acceptably now so will not need to rollback, sunday dent was venting frustration ;-)
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@esdaniel ok, just consider your self a tester and feedbacks would be very much appreciated :)
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@marcusharrison Are you being sarcastic there?
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@bigbrovar i'd rather not be told what to consider myself if you don't mind and please check with whom you are conversing.
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@vatergarp Umm... no? That's just part of the open-source culture.
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@marcusharrison It's part of the open source culture to release stuff that doesn't work in _many cases_ as betas.
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@marcusharrison I know .0 releases are never flawless, but from what I've experienced and read in the forums, I'd say this was not yet ready
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@vatergarp How many times have you read in a forum, "KMail 2 actually works just fine for me, thanks guys!"?
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@vatergarp People complain when there's something to complain about. KMail 2's migration actually worked well for me.
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@vatergarp Judging everyone's experiences from the most vocal opinions is as flawed as it ever has been.
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@marcusharrison It didn't work for me nor my girlfriend, but it did for her sister. That's 1 out of 3.
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@marcusharrison And compared to other software's updates, this release got quite a loud negative response.
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@marcusharrison Which is not surprising due to the large changes that were made, I know. And 3 people is not enough for statistics, I know.
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@vatergarp So all you've done is proven my point: .0 releases are for early adopters.
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@vatergarp Because whether it's KDE, Gnome, NetworkManager or Pulseaudio, the story is the same.
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@vatergarp Developers very likely won't experience most of the bugs in software, hence won't know about them until after people are using it
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@vatergarp Because devs typically have 1 machine with 1 OS with 1 DE with 1 version of the libraries to code and test against.
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@marcusharrison Yes, but KMail is about very valuable information and it was pushed as a normal 'install this please' update.
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@esdaniel Now what was THAT about? O_o
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@marcusharrison While e.g. KDE 4.0 was not was released as "KDE4 > KDE 3.5, install it".
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@vatergarp It was pushed as an update by the distro packagers and not by Kmail devs. The devs have been saying over and over to wait for 4.7
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@vatergarp That was also because of the distro packagers. KDE devs never told the distros to push 4.0 into the mainline.
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@marcusharrison And please don't claim I've proven your point. The fact that a .0 release was for early adopters does not mean…
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@vatergarp Windows Vista was considered an upgrade. Even the developers get it wrong sometimes. Treat all .0 releases as RC, problem solved.
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@marcusharrison …does not mean, that it was _meant_ to be for early adopters.
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@rajitsingh And it never was pushed. Installing it - at least back then on Kubuntu - was my very own choice. If KMail devs wanted to wait…
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@rajitsingh …until 4.7, why didn't they? We've been waiting for KMail2 for over a year now. One month more wouldn't have been a problem.
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@vatergarp Again, developers _get shit wrong_. It's not until after early adopters start using it that stuff gets fixed.
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@vatergarp And early adopters are not the same as beta testers.
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@vatergarp Because there comes a time when EVERY project needs a wider testing base! That's why, they HAD to release it. Simple!
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@rajitsingh where were you when I needed you, lol :-)
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@esdaniel I was busy migrating my mail! :P
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@marcusharrison A migrator that didn't manage to migrate one single email or a crash every 5 emails does feel a lot like beta.
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@vatergarp If the developers knew what kind of configs/setups would make the migrator fail and how to fix them, would the problems exist?
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@vatergarp No, they'd be fixed. The problem is that the developers DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT until after people are using it. STILL.
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@rajitsingh It's just that I don't see any warning in the release notes (except for half-hearted "For most users it should be seemless").
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@rajitsingh roflmao, good one!
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@marcusharrison Where do I find the warning that nothing has been tested properly? Not in the release notes.
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@vatergarp Here's a foreign concept for you. Better put a helmet on, 'cause this might just blow your mind: common sense. I know, shocking!
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@vatergarp So are you going to finally stop burning yourself on new releases, use this new and intruiging concept and hold off for a while?
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@marcusharrison So this is the end of your arguing skills? Insulting?
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@vatergarp So what have you said to disprove the fact that .0 software is for early adopters?
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@vatergarp All you've done so far is complain that A SINGLE PIECE OF .0 software was unstable... which was exactly my point to begin with.
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@vatergarp Maybe I've missed something, but would you like to quickly re-iterate where I was wrong?
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@esdaniel You have notifications set up in Kmail? Glad to hear the pain was not permanent. Do you think KMail is slow now you are using it?
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@skreech2 I'm missing status bar info that used to be displayed, the text-based list of favourite folders, contact de-dupe (KDE3), speed...
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@skreech2 speed seems better though I use an i7 so everything is pretty quick anyway and not so easy to discern, search IS much faster.
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