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@jargon NO, It's awesome! I love having my data mined! I want targeted adverts! :d
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@jargon how is that evil? :S
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@jargon @sandersch you don't have to use your real name: http://www.google.com/intl/en/+/policy/
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@jargon aside from world domination, I imagine to get as much info as possible to make as much money as possible!
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@jargon not really. What are you trying to link to?
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@jargon 'you need to have a public Google Profile visible to the world, which at a minimum includes the name you chose for the profile. '
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@jargon what are you referring to, specifically?
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@jargon then don't use that service if you're not happy with the terms.
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@jargon hmm, because they know what is best and we should just trust them? :-p
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@jargon that's the same link you gave me before. I don't see what that has got to do with choosing your G+ profile name.
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@jargon good for you. So in the meantime you're just spreading fud.
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@jargon Or you can make a new account. You can choose your profile name. That is all.
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@jargon I agree privacy is important, and I also think anyone should be able to do what they want.
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@jargon personally I don't mind using my real name. the picture policy stuff is disturbing a bit. this is part of why we have free software
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@davidmarsden exactly. AFAICT it's what _others_ in your circles know/reveal about you that might allow Google to link you to other profiles
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@jargon whatever that profile is: you can set up a new one (not that I'm going to)
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@jargon yes - 'nothing' happens to your old google account, but nothing stops you to have multiple ones (if you want to)
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@jargon I suspect many of the 'early adopters' will quit when they realize it's just as bad as FB for privacy, only in a different way
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@davidmarsden it's well known that any attempts to use a fake name will trigger the GTeam, swooping down from GCopters like a SWAT team
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@davidmarsden the GTeam are just like #TeamAmerica, worldwide jurisdiction, forcing people at gunpoint to use their real names
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@davidmarsden whistleblowers who tried to expose links to the FBI vanished without a trace off the internet, it's a conspiracy of GEvil
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@davidmarsden all that's left are like the lone drunks who claim to have been abducted by #UFO's, only these peeps babble about "fake names"
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@thistleweb how are they 'forcing' people to use their real names? I cannot see a mechanism nor anything in their policy that says so
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@thistleweb I see quite a few people not using real names and they have been doing for a while.
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@thistleweb are you giving away the plot to your 'Thesauri' epic?
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@marjoleink @davidmarsden even #Facebook users don't all use real names, they just say it's against their TOS, excuse to delete the account
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@davidmarsden there's plenty of conspiracy nuts on #Identica to take inspiration from, it's a pity they're mostly caricatures lol
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@thistleweb hey! That's one of _my_ plot lines, you thieving bastard!
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@marjoleink something they often "forget" in their righteous anger, is it's an OPTIONAL service, nobody forces you to use it
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@thistleweb Facebook maybe but Google's policy doesn't say anything about having to use your real name
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@davidmarsden Google & Facebook want user data, they SAY they don't allow fake names, but really don't care, they profile you so deep anyway
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@jargon oh, right. Well, I'd best get over there and report them, right away! The ones I know are real people using their preferred name.
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@davidmarsden they make it hard for users to delete their accounts because they want the data, they're not gonna throw some away over names
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@marjoleink Google tie in a lot of services to add to your profile, the only "official" one for real names would be checkout, for banking
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@thistleweb I'm aware of all of this, thanks. No one is making anyone sign up to G+ with their real name, though.
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@marjoleink I'd imagine there's money laundering laws that force a real name for financial transactions / fraud prevention etc
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@jargon and that is my mission.
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@thistleweb what on earth does money laundering have to do with #gminus?? it's free-as-in-beer isn't it?
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@davidmarsden sorry, @jargon is a professional complainer, never satisfied unless he's complaining, the @tuxradar response to him was funny
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@marjoleink I mean #Google have a legit & legal reason for demanding real names, at least on their checkout service, if nothing else
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@davidmarsden the trick is that those who are not privacy-savvy will use an existing account which does have their real name for conveniency
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@marjoleink but each part of Google adds another layer to their profile of you, along with youtube, search, mail, docs, blogger etc
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@thistleweb I'm aware of @jargon's complaints, too. What's the tuxradar reference, though?
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@thistleweb so what does their checkout service have to do with #gminus?
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@thistleweb only if you actually use the same profile - but you don't have to
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@marjoleink sure, but the responsibility is on people to read the tos and policies before agreeing, surely?
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@marjoleink many people do
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@thistleweb I have at least 4 different 'profiles'/accounts, at least one of which I have never actually used (YouTube)
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@jargon Better for them is a way of being better.
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@davidmarsden he emailed feedback to tuxradar, lecturing them about Ubuntu / Unity, the 1st line was read out, dismissed as an FSF fanboi
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@marjoleink you're tech savy, tech interested, would you say that of the people around you? the people who think the internet is the E icon
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@jargon aren't there also some FLOSS-type hosted mail solutions out there as well?
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@jargon yeah good point. a company always has a priority, and that is making a profit
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@thistleweb no, that's exactly the problem - G makes it (too) *easy* for non-privay-savvy people to reveal their full identity
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@thistleweb in fact, many people will associate 'better' with Google actually linking all that data - that's the really scary bit
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@jargon I think I'll wait for the Jehovah's to come knocking, thanks.
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@thistleweb that's why I think the real 'danger' for privacy-savvy people is in their 'circles': they may reveal what you yourself don't
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@marjoleink they make it easier than ever before for people not to. when does the bar stop moving?
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@jargon never listened, or if I have I thought it was crap. I was referring to wanting the truth.
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@reality NEVAR!
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@davidmarsden sure - and we both know how many people actually do that. and that 'some' companies actually count on that.
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@marjoleink we're right back to marketing here. I'm off to watch Bill Hicks again.
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@reality when G stops siding with FB against legislation to force companies to reveal their privacy policy upfront, inclear language...
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@rpcutts nevar evar?
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@marjoleink Google Windmill's privacy policy reads pretty clearly to me
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@reality exactly.
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@marjoleink @thistleweb IMHO privacy is the responsibility of the user first and foremost. Anyone expecting a for profit corporation to keep
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@marjoleink Or are we catering for people who *won't* read, pay attention or use common sense now?
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@marjoleink @thistleweb his privacy, is seriously deluded. Be careful what u post online. When I was on fb my profile was open to the pubic
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@marjoleink @thistleweb cus nothing I had there was exclusive, same with g+ , I see it as a sharing service. Just like identica
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@reality that's socialism, baby.
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@davidmarsden 'back to'?? #gminus _is_ marketing
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@marjoleink yes, that's my point.
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@reality 'we'? that doesn't include me at least. but G(+FB) doesn't _want_ to reveal privacy policy upfront and protested legislation...
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@reality ...legislation that would have forced them to reveal policy upfront in clear terms. so who's evil now?
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@marjoleink That's what you seem to be saying. The Google Plus system for distribution of the data you publish is clear.
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@marjoleink I hope it's clear that I am. Would you like to read my evilcy statement?
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@reality not everyone reads at university level - they know it and won't change their wording to be any clearer + all those links don't help
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@bigbrovar it's the responsibility of services to reveal their policy upfront and in clear terms - G+FB do not want to do that!
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@marjoleink this is standard with every #eula. 5 pages of legalese, they know you won't understand. they know better, and use it against you
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@eightyeight which is why there is such proposed legislation; for me, G stops being
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@eightyeight which is why there is such proposed legislation. G stops being 'not evil' by *opposing* such legislation (with FB!)
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@joshix sure
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