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  1. Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

    !OSCON @fontana,this is danger of @jonobacon's "COMPANY <-> COMMUNITY": that a PR job,"Community Manager",is central to community. It's not!

    Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:06:14 UTC from web
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Ubuntu users , OSCON , Fedora users , Red Hat , Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      @jonobacon asked !OSCON audience "Does anyone use !Ubuntu?" @fontana raised his hand. Wonder how the !Fedora team at !RedHat feel about that

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:43:17 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Canonical Ltd. , disturbing , Jono Bacon

      @jonobacon says he wants be "harnessing the community". dict says "harness v. exploit the power of". !Canonical's plans are !disturbing.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:45:30 UTC
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved

      @bkuhn considering how you just tagged all of them we're about to find out :P

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:48:01 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon

      !OSCON: @jonobacon: "building community is engineering management" giving #Linus Torvalds as key example. IMO this misunderstands sw freedom

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:49:38 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon

      At !OSCON, @jonobacon says he "loves the way Linus Toravlds handles conflict" Huh? Insulting people as a key community management structure?

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:50:15 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn

      To be clear, IMO much of what Linus Torvalds does is great, but conflict resolution is probably where most errors happen in #Linux community

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:51:09 UTC
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Stallman Political Notes , Jono Bacon

      @jonobacon says @rms is *not* a celebrity in "real world". Wonder if he knows that RMS has (e.g.) keynoted to the Brazilian Congress. !OSCON

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:52:21 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Debian , OSCON , Jono Bacon

      !OSCON: @jonobacon:"we should not judge effectiveness of a project by how often they release", indicating thus we've judged !Debian wrongly.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:53:16 UTC
    • vinzv vinzv

      @bkuhn May some kind of "better know freedom's enemy" thing.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:54:55 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I agree w/ what @jonobacon says at !OSCON: "Our community is not populated by ppl w/ the best social skills". Unfortunate but true

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:55:15 UTC
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      @bkuhn clearly Brazil is not the "real world". Only white America ;)

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:55:42 UTC
    • Stephen Paul Weber Stephen Paul Weber

      @bkuhn clearly Brazil is not the "real world". Only white America ;) http://sngpl.ma/t4D22

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:55:50 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Free Software & Culture Group , Jono Bacon

      @jonobacon says we're "just starting to share community in !FaiF Software world as best practices". IMO that started in 1990s. !OSCON

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 17:59:36 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software & Culture Group , Jono Bacon

      @jonobacon says his book "kick-started dialogue about communities" in !FaiF Sw. Huh? What about all the discussions of this nature in 1990s?

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:01:11 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , disturbing , Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, IMO "COMMUNITY <-> COMPANY" as a mission statement, as @jonobacon's !OSCON slide seemed to indicate, is !disturbing.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:02:30 UTC
    • Karsten Wade Karsten Wade

      @bkuhn You know what they say about "those who write the history"?

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:02:34 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON @fontana, @jonobacon specifically mentioned early #IBM mistakes, but failed to mention how savvy IBM is now in manipulating community

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:03:47 UTC
    • agentsmith agentsmith

      @bkuhn I wonder who Jono Bacon is ??? Or thinks he is...

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:04:24 UTC
    • agentsmith agentsmith

      @bkuhn What about Homebrew computer club, in the 70's ???

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:06:32 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , disturbing , Jono Bacon

      !OSCON: @jonobacon makes a sadly inappropriate comment about the genitalia of #Tron guy in a photo on one of his slides. Quite !disturbing.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:08:37 UTC
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved

      @bkuhn can we get a quote? this stuff should be recorded

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:09:32 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I didn't fully understand what @jonobacon said about #blacklisting job applicants at #OpenSource companies. But IMO it does happen.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:09:38 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon , Tekk Has Moved

      @tekk, honestly, @jonobacon's comment was offensive to me & downright mean to the #Tron guy & I'd rather not repeat the exact words. !OSCON

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:10:24 UTC
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved

      @bkuhn oh, tron guy as in #tronguy, not flynn :P

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:11:24 UTC
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved

      @bkuhn thought you were just blanking on the name

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:11:33 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Tekk Has Moved

      @tekk,sorry,I didn't know #tronguy was the canonical hash tag for him;I didn't know about him until this morning. Now I've read ur1.ca/4svh8

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:13:01 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, IMO "Community Management" is *not* a new profession as @jonobacon says. It's just a new title in the Public Relations department.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:13:43 UTC
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved

      @bkuhn well it seems more appropriate than #tron guy, since it then misses the guy part and just tags tron ;)

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:14:15 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon

      !OSCON @jonobacon says:"Community Managers should report to engineering, not marketing". Makes sense to me, but I still think the job is PR.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:15:50 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon

      I hereby apologize for the paper folding that I did at !OSCON during @jonobacon's talk. I plead that the #OSCON schedule sheet is E_TOO_BIG.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:19:12 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon

      !OSCON @jonobacon says Community Managers should lead governance. IMO NPO's should define governance for #FLOSS projects,not for-profit orgs

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:21:16 UTC
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    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Ubuntu users , OSCON , Jono Bacon , Mark Shuttleworth

      !OSCON @jonobacon claims: @sabdfl only breaks ties on !Ubuntu Community Council. If so, then why does @sabdfl still call himself Dictator?

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:22:32 UTC
    • Sander Sander

      @bkuhn How do you mean? Like Jobsites blacklisting OpenSource companies?

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:23:32 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Jono Bacon

      @jonobacon is now 6 mins over time at !OSCON; poor next speaker in this room! I gotta find way to get out of here to make next talk on time!

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:26:31 UTC
    • Marvin Vek Marvin Vek Jono Bacon , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn @jonobacon @fontana I doubt they care.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:29:29 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana I have to admit the longevity of shuttleworth as Ubuntu project lead is #disturbing me for me.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:29:48 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana how any org handles leadership change is a defining moment for its governance model. Until that happens, model isn't fully tested.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:30:57 UTC
    • Marjolein Katsma Marjolein Katsma

      @bkuhn IMO that's nonsense. Public Relations in no way implies 'community', a completely different skill is required

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:32:05 UTC
    • Sander Sander

      @bkuhn so is consultant. Everyone is a consultant these days.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:33:52 UTC
    • Sander Sander Marjolein Katsma

      @marjoleink sorry replied to the wrong dent. :-s

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:34:17 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana How much crappier would the US be if George Washington had accepted being crowned King of America instead of stepping down as pres.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:41:20 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana I revel in your freedom to make technology usages choices which cross simplistic corporate affiliation fencelines.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:45:07 UTC
    • Roger Pixley Roger Pixley

      @bkuhn How many software Developers are celebrities outside of the amount of money they make?

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:54:05 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Marjolein Katsma

      @marjoleink,that's exactly my point;"Community Management" as a profession is hoodwink to convince ppl to volunteer for a for-profit company

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:54:22 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana well regardless of the OS, it is a netbook after all, I don't expect it to be that usable for work.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:54:50 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana the utouch stuff is not bad tech. But like everything Canonical...its mired under the corporate contributor agreement.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 18:59:08 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana I personally can live with the new one in order to do my work as a package maintainer in Fedora. I do not _like_ it.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:01:23 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana in the context of utouch, it will be interesting to see if the new cla eases any future attempts to get things submitted into GNOME

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:04:01 UTC
    • Sander Sander

      @jargon kick me in the nutsack

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:06:08 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana netbooks OEMs marketed a new usage case to help justify devices to consumers. Tablets are going to fill the marketed usage case.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:08:59 UTC
    • Jeff Spaleta Jeff Spaleta Richard Fontana

      @fontana that's only because you haven't experience the UI glory that is qnx6.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:10:02 UTC
    • mcnalu mcnalu Sander

      @sandersch there's a queue. @jargon will have to wait his turn.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:14:02 UTC
    • Sander Sander mcnalu

      @mcnalu who else would want to kick me in the nutsack? I'm a nice guy no.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:15:52 UTC
    • Sander Sander

      @jargon hee

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:17:20 UTC
    • Sander Sander

      @jargon ok, go get it over with :-(

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:24:17 UTC
    • Marjolein Katsma Marjolein Katsma

      @bkuhn no it‘s not! cimmunity management has nothing to do with profit or not but everything with community; most organizations don‘t have 1

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:25:55 UTC
    • mcnalu mcnalu Sander

      @sandersch oh wait. I thought a kick in the nutsack was a sign of affection.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:32:39 UTC
    • Sander Sander mcnalu

      @mcnalu no, that's when you tickle my nutsack

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:38:34 UTC
    • mcnalu mcnalu Sander

      @sandersch :O

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 19:57:01 UTC
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Richard Fontana

      @fontana @bkuhn I see you chose the #disturbing option over the informative one.

      Wednesday, 27-Jul-11 20:38:07 UTC
    • Nathan Owe Nathan Owe Richard Fontana , Jeff Spaleta

      @fontana @jspaleta I also like Fedora better than Ubuntu. One of my reasons: recent software, and I am part of the community

      Thursday, 28-Jul-11 02:35:04 UTC
    • Clacke Moved to Unlimited Clacke Moved to Unlimited

      @bkuhn I haven't heard of any book, but have heard many discussions of this kind. Maybe I'm not managerial enough to know of such books.

      Thursday, 28-Jul-11 10:17:49 UTC
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Evergreen Open Source Library System , Jono Bacon

      ☹ @jonobacon still uses #Tron guy & #StarTrek fans as stooges in his talks. Inappropriate genitalia comment's gone, thankfully. !Evergreen

      about a year ago

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