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  1. Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Richard Fontana

    @fontana ooh latex, someone cared about making this look pretty

    about 9 months ago from Emacs Identica-mode
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana starts his talk explaining basics of © & what copyright is. He then discusses the different type of contributor policies.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Canonical Ltd. , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana lists various contribution types:"inbound=outbound",minimalist #CLA & maximalist CLA. Calls !Canonical led #Harmony latter.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana: "Most contributors don't put explicit licensing on their patches & that's *fine*,b/c there is implicit licensing going on"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana says "copyright assignment is a category of a maximalist #CLA". Strange wording for that, really, but I know why he say so.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana: "maximalist #CLA shipp risk upstream to contributors, whereas by contrast #FLOSS licenses shift risk away from developers"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana says "copyright assignment is selling all your rights in a project to another part (but not for any money, of course)".

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana says "©AA's give a grant-back broad license to contributor, but *only* for the patch itself, not the whole package."

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Free Software Foundation , The GNU General Public License , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana says he's "never seen a ©AA with a mutual #swpats provision" But IMO !FSF has this, through !GPL licensing of whole work.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      At !OSCON, @fontana says "∃ a lot of confusion about what they are. Many see nothing wrong, even though they have *same* issues ©AA's."

      about 10 months ago
    • Karsten Wade Karsten Wade Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn Curious how the turnout is for @fontana? Topic is very timely, & I've seen a full room for him when enough people know abt the talk.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Karsten Wade , Richard Fontana

      @quaid, not counting (a) @fontana himself & (b) sound guy, there are 29 people attending @fontana's #CLA's Considered Harmful talk at !OSCON

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana says "!Linux DCO certifies right to license inbound=outbound It's a suppliment to inbound=outbound in a lightweight sense"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana: "Maximalist #CLA institutionalize inequality w/in project,creating a regime of legal inequality" It gives dangerous powers

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Apache OpenOffice , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana "red tape maximalist #CLA added w/ their inequality means disincentives & barriers;Reference: #mmeeks essay on !OpenOffice"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana: "those advocating for #CLA's haven't explained why FLOSS licenses themselves are good for outbound yet not for inbound"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON @fontana: "maximalist #CLA's are more problematic than ©AA's b/c many developers find ©AA's bad but don't realize #CLA's just as bad"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , The GNU General Public License , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana gives some arguments for why aggregated © doesn't help !GPL enforcement. OTOH,more © means it's more likely case'll succeed

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana says "Relicensing problem" argument for ©AA's/maximalist #CLA's is meaningless anyway unless you're choosing copyleft.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana: Projects should get their license right to start, use -or-later to avoid "relicensing problem" that would require #CLA.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana: "Projects shouldn't reserve right to switch to a radically different license; can get consent later if it's really needed"

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      !OSCON: @fontana calls proprietary relicensing "ethically problematic & gimmicky". He believes these business models are dying out anyway.

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      Key conclusion by @fontana at !OSCON: "inbound=outbound should be the default choice but do try to document that custom in your project".

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn OSCON , Richard Fontana

      @fontana is asked !OSCON: "Is there any reason at all for Project #Harmony exist to standardize maximalist #CLA's?" @fontana's answer: "No".

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn karen sandler , Aaron Williamson , Richard Fontana

      #OSCON @fontana's time's up but still talking;should've reminded him about it before he started. He's eating up @kaz & @copiesofcopies' time

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,it was not my fault at all! I asked my question BEFORE you were out of time (but you almost were), which is why I wanted to be 1st

      about 10 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I rarely believe in "All's Well That Ends Well". Indeed, your 10 mi overage propagated in schedule thereafter interrupted your ☕∀!

      about 10 months ago
    • Free as in Freedom Free as in Freedom OSCON , Free as in Freedom , Bradley M. Kuhn , karen sandler , Richard Fontana

      On !FaiFCast 0x17, @kaz & @bkuhn listen to and comment on @fontana's talk about #CLA's & ©AA's from !OSCON 2011: http://ur1.ca/4zn41

      about 9 months ago
    • x1101 x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn , karen sandler , Richard Fontana , Free as in Freedom

      @faif @bkuhn @kaz looking forward to listening to this. Glad @fontana granted you license to his talk!

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Dan Lynch

      Thanks to @methoddan for his efforts to clean up audio for #FaiFCast 0x17. Remaining problems are my fault for having sample gain too high.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I may have frequently abbreviated "contributor agreement" to #CLA for expediency. Live-denting isn't perfectly accurate, you know.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I'm pretty sure you said that. I probably put in quotes b/c it was what you said. I'm sorry if I misquoted you. We can check audio!

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I was thinking of a hack to #S5 that would cause live-dents to pop up over presentation slides. Easy way to ask questions.

      about 9 months ago
    • Karsten Wade Karsten Wade Bradley M. Kuhn , Mel Chua

      @bkuhn That's funny, because that happens by mistake with slides + identi.ca software; @mchua & I did slides side-by-side w/dent screen.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn karen sandler , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I don't think the NPO nature is magic, but I believe @kaz is correct that the interests are more properly aligned there.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, e.g.: developers assign to #Conservancy b/c they support !GPL enforcement but don't want to be involved in it day-to-day.

      about 9 months ago
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    • Sander Sander Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I tought the FSF did GPL enforcement?

      about 9 months ago
    • Christopher Allan Webber Christopher Allan Webber Richard Fontana

      @fontana That's *exactly* why I wanted to (c) assign my MediaGoblin contributions to the FSF and why I wanted optional copyright assignment.

      about 9 months ago
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    • Christopher Allan Webber Christopher Allan Webber Richard Fontana

      @fontana FSF has decided partial copyright assignment isn't currently possible but if that changes I am likely to want to do so again.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn The GNU General Public License , Sander

      @sandersch, it does, but your question seems to indicate you may have some confusions about what !GPL enforcement is & how it works.

      about 9 months ago
    • Christopher Allan Webber Christopher Allan Webber Richard Fontana

      @fontana Probably (certainly) true, many contributors signing just so they can get their code in. Easier to gauge if ©-assgn optional though

      about 9 months ago
    • Jason Riedy Jason Riedy Christopher Allan Webber , Richard Fontana

      @fontana @cwebber I'd expect most assignments to be glad to ship work elsewhere...

      about 9 months ago
    • Christopher Allan Webber Christopher Allan Webber Richard Fontana

      @fontana I think we'd still see quite a few sign over if an option. My perspective could be distorted by where I sit on FOSS spectrum though

      about 9 months ago
    • Christopher Allan Webber Christopher Allan Webber Richard Fontana

      @fontana I hope for / look forward to those contributions in the future however! :) They are already welcome in the present.

      about 9 months ago
    • Sander Sander Richard Fontana

      @fontana I can't mis the point. I am the point.

      about 9 months ago
    • Luke Slater Luke Slater Sander

      @sandersch One day your mind will slip, and you'll miss knowing the point.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, !FSF sometimes makes exceptions to include essential non-©A'd code in otherwise ©A'd project. eg: #ZFS + #GRUB & #SunRPC + #glibc

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I'm sorry,but your questions seem pointlessly accusatory. Either they have trivially obvious answers, or they are #troll's, AFAICT.

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Richard Fontana

      @fontana makes things easier I imagine, if they have caa on a project they know that they can enfore no matter what snippet was taken

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Richard Fontana

      @fontana vs having to check if the part of the project that was taken is assigned to them or not

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Richard Fontana

      @fontana but they'd still have to check case by case, not clear cut "we can enforce this package but not this one"

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Richard Fontana

      @fontana bear in mind that this is pure speculation :P

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,ISTR I discussed this issue on http://faif.us/cast/2011/jan/04/0x06/ Did you have questions based on what I discussed on #FaiFCast?

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, after you write blog post about why #RedHat still engages in proprietary relicensing, I'll write one that answers your questions.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, it's "relicensing" since your company uses its power as ©holder to take a #GPL'd codebase & *re*license it a different way for $$.

      about 9 months ago
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      foonetic (lnxwalt280) foonetic (lnxwalt280) Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn @fontana ISTM that dual-licensing is the right of the copyright holder, and an argument for distributed copyrights.

      about 9 months ago
    • Kevin Granade Kevin Granade Richard Fontana

      @fontana I think the key is that *contributions* are relicensed. Though I think that's an ex post facto justification :)

      about 9 months ago
    • Timothy Patishnock Timothy Patishnock Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn This is definitely more entertaining than Netflix. The more we know: because knowledge is power and knowing is 1/2 the battle. GI-JOE

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,I've wondered if it'd be better long term for software freedom if code where proprietary relicensing will occur to stay proprietary

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana,& AFAICT you're only one who believe #FSF © policy's problematic b/c it has exceptions. By your logic,I don't need to answer on it.

      about 9 months ago
    • Kevin Granade Kevin Granade Richard Fontana

      @fontana seems obvious to me, they perform relicensing, but not proprietary relicensing.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, you already understand it. We've talked about it many times. You're clearly trying to #troll non-profits. I have theories why.

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

      @bkuhn a dent! I haven't had one from you all day even though @fontana was having a conversation with you

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Red Hat , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, we both know !RedHat has an agenda on this issue. It's shameless for you to #troll me here on it to advance Red Hat's goals.

      about 9 months ago
    • Clacke Moved to Parlementum Clacke Moved to Parlementum Richard Fontana

      @fontana #nowayisthatnotatroll

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, your #troll'ing has gotten pretty good. Anyway, feel free to phone me if you need a reminder on what you said last week.

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn all we get is a stupid flag for labor day D:

      about 9 months ago
    • Tekk Has Moved Tekk Has Moved Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn sorry, that's suppossed to be @laurelrusswum, look in the context for thhe message ;)

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I believe issues of © assignment have a connection with issues of © assignment. I'm amazed that you disagree w/ that tautology.

      about 9 months ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , Red Hat , disturbing , Richard Fontana

      @fontana, I'm not going to debate publicly private negotiations btw !RedHat & !FSF you initiated. It's !disturbing that you seek to do so.

      about 9 months ago
    • Marvin Vek Marvin Vek Richard Fontana

      @fontana I admire your effort to invalidate his troll.

      about 9 months ago
    • Matěj Cepl Matěj Cepl Richard Stallman Political Notes , Richard Fontana

      @fontana dare you elaborate? What poor #Gosling did that it deserved such wrath of @rms?

      about 9 months ago
    • Matěj Cepl Matěj Cepl Richard Fontana

      @fontana how could they? It was under GPL, I suppose, wasn't it?

      about 9 months ago
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      foonetic (lnxwalt280) foonetic (lnxwalt280) Richard Fontana

      @fontana Is there any documentation available where one can learn more about the incident?

      about 9 months ago
    • Matěj Cepl Matěj Cepl Richard Fontana

      @fontana Thanks, an interesting story!

      about 9 months ago

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