Conversation
Notices
-
@fontana I have evidence from Linus himself that Linux is the kernel alone. it's expanding it to more than that that's revisionism.
-
Android GPLv2 termination worries: one more reason to upgrade to GPLv3 - http://ur1.ca/4xo8u !fsf !gnu !gpl
-
♻ @fsf: Android GPLv2 termination worries: one more reason to upgrade to GPLv3 - http://ur1.ca/4xo8u #fsf #gnu #gpl
-
My colleague @brettcsmith wrote a thoughtful piece about !Android / !Linux distribution under #GPLv2 & why #GPLv3 is better: ur1.ca/4xo8u
Marjolein Katsma likes this. -
@bkuhn Remember more effort, expense and uncertainty means more business for them.
-
@webmink,I wonder if you dent was actually in the wrong thread context there. I'm having trouble figuring which "them" you mean here. FSF?!?
-
-
@bkuhn Yes, sorry - no idea how I managed to click this thread, it was meant to be on the Black Duck thread.
-
@webmink, I agree w/ you re #BlackDuck. I've heard some people claim #BlackDuck is !GPL enforcement's fault, which is quite a silly position
-
@fontana Perhaps we should consider "Linux (the GNU/kernel)." That would make everybody happy.
-
@fontana they can't possibly be offended by that: http://www.kernel.org/ if anything, other kernels could be offended by their site ;-)
-
@bkuhn It annoys me. It sounds elitist.
-
@fontana For some reason, I sometimes forget about the HURD.
-
@bkuhn Somebody's *always* going to be offended, so I guess the goal should be offense minimization ^_^
-
@bkuhn I would suggest just the 'linux kernel'
-
@fontana Linux kernel is technically incorrect. Linux *is* a kernel, it doesn't have one. :-)
-
@bkuhn how is that confusing? The endianness? The chair of x or x's chair, it's essentially the same thing, although I prefer the latter
-
@ruiseabra it's no more wrong than saying 'Windows operating system' or '501 jeans' instead of 'the OS windows' or 'the jeans named 501'
-
@fontana,in my experience, phrase "the Linux kernel" contributes to confusion that Linux is more operating system components beyond kernel.
-
@copiesofcopies, ok, you have convinced me to also stop saying "the GNU operating system", but I presume that wasn't your goal there. :)
-
@bkuhn no, it's that "the kernel Linux" is an awkward, unnatural construction born of a grudge, which doesn't resolve any actual unclarity.
-
@copiesofcopies Windows is an operating system with unnamed (afaik) kernel. If u want to compare apples with oranges, please know I won't.
-
@copiesofcopies in fact, if u think Linux has a kernel, u should probably say kernel32.dll our mach have a kernel #consistency
-
@copiesofcopies, I prefer "the kernel named Linux", but I'd guess your crticism is same for that. BTW, I don't ask anyone else to say it.
-
@fontana that's like saying that referring to the GNU/Linux system as Linux is calculated to annoy GNU community.
-
@fontana the problem is that “Linux kernel” is ambiguous in English: is it the kernel named Linux (correct) or kernel of Linux (wrong)?
-
@fontana and, quite honestly, the motives for that revisionism are far from noble
Osama Khalid likes this. -
@fontana that many people were misled into believing that lie, and even refuse to correct it, doesn't make it any less of a lie
-
@fontana,GNU set out to write an operating system & wrote all but a kernel. Linus set out to write an operating system & wrote only a kernel
-
@fontana,it's not that I'm obsessed w/ the credit giving issue;I say "GNU/Linux" & "kernel named Linux" as a favor to RMS b/c he asked me to
-
@bkuhn I agree, "the !Linux kernel" is similar to saying "the Windows kernel", which implies "the kernel of the Windows operating system."
Bradley M. Kuhn likes this. -
@tmp This is already the case with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD.
-
@fontana the book of GNU?
-
@fontana earlier than the first Linux 0.01 release notes?
-
@fontana or do you mean that Linus posted he *intended* to write an OS, but ended up writing a kernel and using GNU to make it useful?
-
@fontana sadly, I see a lot of such malicious intent. once informed, it's refusal to do justice to the major contributor to the system
-
@fontana satisfying the ego of those who started promoting their combination of GNU and Linux as just Linux from early on
-
@parsifal I've heard mixed reviews about it and wasn't sure if I should include it. Still, your point is valid.
-
@bkuhn BlackDuck was not caused by GPL enforcement, but they do exploit it for FUD.
-
@fontana I think it's only to show that the "kernel Linux" is not their kernel of choice and used only because HURD is not ready.
-
@bkuhn perfect
-
@fontana, word usage influences people's way of thinking. I don't try to convince people to change,but I'm careful about what I say.
-
@rahulsundaram, oh, I agree w/ that completely. This specific issue is probably where that problem you mention did the most damage.
-
@fontana Why wouldn't it be?
-
@fontana But it's 'almost ready', how could it not be a high priority? http://lwn.net/Articles/451699/
-
@fontana If you understood that would be better than being polite.
-
@fontana,that's !disturbing. I hope you'll reprise the talk in a venue where you aren't heckled. !LinuxCon Europe, perhaps? I'll be there.
-
@fontana BSDs used far less core GNU components, they had their own. GNU+Linux OTOH started as entire GNU system - HURD + Linux
-
@fontana s/GNU utilities/GNU system/ ;-)
-
@bkuhn *nod*. at one place I ordered tea in a desperate attempt to avoid Coca Cola drinks, just to find out it was Coca Cola's Nestea :-(
-
@tedks there was a design, but its development had barely started
-
@fontana, I thought @rms lifted the #HarryPotter boycott when it was decided the ebooks would be #DRM free.
-
@bkuhn good thing tap water is so refreshing
-
@bkuhn the first tihng which comes to my mind is "The kernel formerly known as Linux" :(
-
@bkuhn sometimes I think the idolatry of rationality leads to insanity :) http://is.gd/NYGqlO
-
@fontana there would be question about userland programs which are tightly linked to Linux kernel as unusuable elsewhere (util-linux) ;)
-
@lxoliva what about util-linux? Are they Linux or GNU?
-
@tmp well, Duke Nukem Forever has been released so anything is possible, I guess. ;)
-
@gomerx don't we all?
-
@mcepl I just saw the game in action at a friend's apartment. "Gee, it sure is 2004 in here" re: graphics & gameplay
-
@mcepl they seem to be a disorganized collection of programs for GNU/Linux systems
-
@mcepl some of them probably wouldn't work on any other system. most are no more specific to Linux than to GNU
-
All Identi.ca content and data are available under the