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1. Allison Randal

   Linux distros and foundations stand together on UEFI Secure Boot: http://bit.ly/vIb2Ih and http://bit.ly/ta9EF6

   
   Sunday, 30-Oct-11 14:10:00 UTC from web
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   • Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , The Linux Foundation

     @allisonrandal, your dent is misleading. !FSF opposes Restricted boot. Appears @linuxfoundation, #Canonical & #RedHat want it, but different

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 20:20:05 UTC
   • Daniel Martí Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn by that do you mean canonical, red hat, etc. are not with the fsf or that they are not that "extremist"?

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 20:27:19 UTC
   • sazius (moved to status.saz.im) Free Software Foundation , Bradley M. Kuhn

     I was under the impression that the !FSF would accept "Secure Boot" if users could add their own keys or disable it.

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 20:32:06 UTC
   • P. J. McDermott Free Software Foundation , Free Software , Bradley M. Kuhn , sazius (moved to status.saz.im)

     Yeah, !FSF urges that Secure Boot implementations allow !FS to be installed. (I haven't read LF's or Canonical's papers though.) /cc @bkuhn

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 21:55:01 UTC
   • sazius (moved to status.saz.im) P. J. McDermott

     Yep, IMHO it could be a useful security feature as long as the computer owner/user has control over it.

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 22:01:31 UTC
   • P. J. McDermott sazius (moved to status.saz.im)

     Yeah, I'd never heard of a bootkit before this issue, but I guess viruses in MS Windows have gotten so bad maybe people need Secure Boot. ;)

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 22:07:04 UTC
   • sazius (moved to status.saz.im) P. J. McDermott

     Yeah, I'd be too scared to use a Windows machine these days :)

     Sunday, 30-Oct-11 22:15:34 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Free Software Foundation , P. J. McDermott

     IMO people tend to forget that there are various stages of boot. !FSF's position is that users should be able to replace BIOS w/ #coreboot

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 13:40:25 UTC
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   • Bradley M. Kuhn The Linux Foundation , Daniel Martí

     #Canonical, #Red_Hat, & @linuxfoundation seek a compromise which would keep BIOS proprietary but allow users to sign from there down.

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 13:41:32 UTC
   • x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn for that to be really practical tho, #coreboot would need to actually support hardware people own, not the other way round.

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 13:43:23 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn x1101

     @x1101, main problem is: if #UEFI is adopted in ways even Linux companies & Linux Foundation are suggesting, it'd make #coreboot impossible

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 14:16:28 UTC
   • x1101 Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn no disagreement. My point was, for #coreboot to be pratical, it needs to run on more hardware, so I can choose it after I buy smthng

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 14:19:28 UTC
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   • Alexandre Oliva Free Software Foundation , Bradley M. Kuhn

     ♻ @bkuhn: there are various stages of boot. #FSF's position is that users should be able to replace BIOS w/ #coreboot

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 14:54:46 UTC
   • Daniel Martí Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn So, they agree with non-free bios which would let the user decide which OS to use/install? Hmm...

     Monday, 31-Oct-11 16:14:17 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn Richard Fontana

     @fontana, I'm not sure I understand your question. Most computers have a BIOS, which is where #UEFI key management would be implemented.

     Wednesday, 02-Nov-11 12:54:55 UTC
   • Clacke Moved to Unlimited Bradley M. Kuhn , Richard Fontana

     If I may hazard a guess, @fontana means that "BIOS" describes that of which UEFI is not an implementation, much like GNU is not Multics.

     Wednesday, 02-Nov-11 17:40:03 UTC
   • P. J. McDermott Bradley M. Kuhn

     @bkuhn, how would #UEFI with RH/Canonical & LF recommendations stop free firmware like #coreboot? Couldn't users just flash to ROM as usual?

     Wednesday, 09-Nov-11 06:44:52 UTC
   • P. J. McDermott Bradley M. Kuhn , P. J. McDermott

     @bkuhn, sorry for the late reply, but I'll be discussing UEFI at the NJIT ACM SIG GNU/Linux meetings this week & want to know your thoughts.

     Wednesday, 09-Nov-11 06:45:41 UTC
   • Bradley M. Kuhn P. J. McDermott

     @pehjota, I believe I'll be speaking at NJIT on 2011-11-30. We can talk about #UEFI after my talk if you want. Too detailed for a talk topic

     Wednesday, 09-Nov-11 19:23:50 UTC
   • P. J. McDermott Bradley M. Kuhn

     Right, I was the one who contacted you re: 2011-11-30. But I'm leading 1-2 hrs of discussion on UEFI at SIG meetings starting this Friday.

     Wednesday, 09-Nov-11 19:58:26 UTC