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there is a lot of wealth behind #copyleft failing. it is scary to business as usual folks. http://ur1.ca/6q2l5
about 5 months ago from web-
On the continuing decline of the GPL http://bit.ly/rME7MI Updating our most popular CAOS blog post of the year.
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Good point. It is *more* permissive though ;-) Taking it out doesn't impact the overall trend significantly
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@fontana,I see no data supporting "developer culture shift" conclusion & it doesn't seem statistical rigor is used in any of these "studies"
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@fontana I agree with this. Specifically, it reflects the increasing significance of the Python and Ruby communities, among others.
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@copiesofcopies I think you hit the nail on the head, and furthermore that those communities are "sharing" libraries and not applications
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I think what we're seeing is that permissive licenses are just great for libraries, and libraries are currently thriving
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Now we need to enter the next area of webdev, get hackers to build real web *applications*, and [A]GPL makes a lot more sense there
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But for the most part, this isn't happening yet, and I think this is part of the reason we're seeing for copyleft rot
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In a certain sense, "open source succeeded"; "share the non-critical parts of your business" is the default now, but it *isn't enough*
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But software freedom hasn't won, and now we need web *applications*! And copyleft will make a lot more sense there.
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@cwebber: it's galling how smug people are over this. Github's recent self-congratulatory post was a prime example of it.
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@cwebber: how do you mean "copyleft rot"?
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@robmyers yes that post definitely boiled my blood a bit
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I mean the decreasing use of copyleft for new projects, which I mean: not declining amount of FOSS, but higher libraries over applications
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I considered writing a pro-free-software post with a troll title being "Open Source Won" (and the subtitle "but that's not enough")
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These days, developers are mostly free, and end users are not.
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Thank God. The almost-militant left-wing leanings of #GPL scared me away.
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@fontana your contributions still welcome!
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@cwebber: [citation needed] - see the article in the latest FSF bulletin. But yes Android and others using the Apache licence are fail IMO
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It isn't "fail". But strategically suboptimal, I think yes.
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Maybe it's time for me to write my "field guide to copyleft [supporters/]opponents" blogpost I've had in mid-draft form
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I have one of those sorta, but it's about regulatory theory, if i'm engaging in puffery.
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Also big, healthy jquery and Apache communities.
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I agree with @cwebber's comments in this thread. I've read the whole thing & I pretty much have nothing to add to what he's said here. :)
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is this because they care for themselves and not their fellow man? or do they fail to see the possible downsides? or?
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Free licenses are not enough unless you have the ability and resources to successfully fork. #necessarybutnotsufficient
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