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"Eben 'Spying for Free' Moglen" glol!!! !fsf !gnu !humor #nicknames #apodos http://parlementum.net/url/256709
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I don't follow.
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@freemor I'm pretty sure #identica does not sell any info about us. Not positive though. Either way, stay on status.net
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@pete: Ah I should have checked there. I'm fine with these conditions though. I know Eben might disagree :(
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@freemor: You could always run your own instance
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http://ur1.ca/6y01g commercial spying ops used to empower people who've lot$ to get more from people who've less… lead to… unequal society
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@freemor that means you missed his point. it was addressed agains closed, centralised, corporate social networks, like twitter or facebook
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The tools provide ways for speaking publicly and when used for that goal they are quite efficient. Identi.ca gives all to the public → open
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@lucidlytwisted yes,This is what I would probably do if I left identica
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@diablomarcus There is still the problem of a huge centralized database that can be subpoenaed
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@pete Using identica create a huge centralized database of social information that can be subpoenaed for otherwise you by adversaries
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@diablomarcus My concern was not closed or open source my concern is a huge Centralized database
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@rysiek My concern is with the centralization not with identical practices or whether they're closed or open source
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@rysiek If I do choose to leave identica I will probably look into creating a status.net instance
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This is true of the whole internet. But identica, as far as I know, isn't actively cooperating with those parties.
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Anything you put anywhere on the net publicly will be indexed&archived. I'm running my own StatusNet instance, but all that is public still.
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@sazius True but the powers that be and always go to the Centralized source rather than trying to scrape up all the hits from the internet
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@pete If Identica's server farm or storage is in the states then the data could be subpoenaed With out identicas of Cooperation
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@freemor I just assume anything I write anywhere on the net is public to anyone.
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Again, this is true of the entire internet.
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@freemor The biggest problem IMHO with Twitter and Facebook is that they lock you in and own your data.
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@sazius Ah, well see that is problematic. I'd prefer to see that be redesigned to further decentralization.
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@pete Surely that's the "entire internet where the servers are in the USA"?
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Consider me corrected.
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@freemor I don't think you understand #StatusNet. It is inherently decentralized. You can run your own instance
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@freemor Not sure how that could be redesigned? Anyone you talk to will have your dents, and on the server they are using.
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@diablomarcus is true, I'm on a separate server
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@sazius How about, only a uri is pushed and stored on the federated servers. If your server disappears so does all your data
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@sazius I would agree with that,However huge central stores of data are always going to be tempting to authority
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@diablomarcus I do understand that. I may go that route
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@freemor but generating e.g. the home timeline still requires at least cacheing of all the dent contents
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@pete And this is why I run my own email server. I didn't like the idea of my email hanging out in a server that I had no control over
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@freemor and loading any timeline would require a very slow pulling of content from many different servers then...
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@freemor true, but IMHO mostly a difference of degrees. I'd be more worried e.g. about gmail where they can subpoena confidential emails.
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@sazius true. And run my own mail server for that reason.
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@sazius true. I always forget about the web interface because I so rarely use it.
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@ryuslash True, there is however the question of what happens if someone on identica follows my feed
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@parsifal they're talking about DMs between users, bot with Twitter and Identica, which the server would have but not publicly seen
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Couldn't agree more :)
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@parsifal I'd imagine the data that would be subpoenad wld be the private stuff. e.g.account owner details/email address etc. #justAThought
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@thistleweb indeed and identi.ca has DMs too. So surely this also wld be the data subject to any subpoena?
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@equitas of course, the only difference is who gets the subpeona, a private instance means YOU get it
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@thistleweb as I'm not in the US I'm not sure how that would work but my real point was that the public data was not the issue.
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@equitas except DM's don't work across instances currently, so you'll be really safe :) But if they did, they could also subpoena recipient.
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@equitas I know, I agree......the US don't let minor things like the law stop them from pursuing a vendetta
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@sazius well TBH I'm not from the US so don't really understand subpoenas. We have summons over here which r not quite the same
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@sazius the US DOJ are known for their technical savyness, something minor like "software can't do that" is an irrelevance
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@equitas the US put pressure on through embassies, trade sanctions etc for local authorities to do their bidding
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@thistleweb yes appreciate how the US can "reach out" esp here in the UK (Gary McKinnon for example) just saying didn't get technicalities
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My point was merely that currently I cannot send DM's to another instance, hence at the moment I don't have DM's stored anywhere :)
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I'm not from USA either. But point is,if your private info is stored unencrypted on server not under your control, someone else may read it.
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@thistleweb There are better mechanisms for private communication, with or without privacy issues. But I see the point, in that case.
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@sazius agreed
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That’s a pity indeed, that you cannot send DM. Also it seems, that you join a private group (only tried it with my id…
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@parsifal it would matter to people trying to be pseudonomous... and others i'm sure
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@thistleweb it can also change the legal jurisdiction the data lives in. E.g. no patriot act outside the US
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@freemor true, many world services go through US servers because it's US companies, so they claim jurisdiction, like email
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